# Required transformer voltage for voltage regulator tubes in series

First of all some small context: I am attempting to design and build a clock with old electricial components, without silicon components. This question is about the power supply circuit. Note that I have no degree in electronics whatsoever, I have just been learning it as a hobby for a few weeks now.

For my circuit I will use a tube rectifier, e.g. the 6C4P rectifier. I will connect this, after smoothing, to voltage regulator tubes. I've picked the following, as I need the following DC voltage outputs:

• At least 450 V for dekatron anodes;
• Around 170 V for Nixie anodes;
• Negative 150 V for dekatron pulse (I can build this later on, but recommendations are welcome).

After doing some research, I am aware that one can connect voltage regulator tubes in series, to obtain different stable voltage outputs. I've picked the following voltage regulator tubes:

• 2x SG-16P (each around 85 V stabilised voltage, 150 V ignition voltage) = 170 V out
• 2x SG-1P (each around 150 V stabilised voltage, 175 V ignition voltage) = 300 V out

If connecting them in series and counting the output voltages, I should be able to get 170 V and 470 V if I am correct.

Now - if using the full-wave rectifier and a capacitor, what AC R.M.S. full load output voltage transformer should I pick? Do I need to count all the ignition voltages for the voltage regulator tubes as minimal DC input after the rectifier circuit? If so, I come up with the following calculation:

Voltage regulator tubes ignition voltages = (175 + 175 + 150 + 150) = 650 VDC needed after rectification and smoothing.

Currently I don't know the voltage drop of the rectifier tube and voltage regulator tubes, so I will just call them X and Y for now.

If 650 VDC after the rectifier/smoothing is correct, would this mean I need at least a full load AC R.M.S. voltage output of (650 + X + Y) / √2 on the transformer for max. efficiency?

• You should also know the currents for all voltages needed. dos4ever.com/decatron/decatronweb.html Commented Nov 19, 2022 at 16:23
• You have come a long way:-) and asked a lot of questions. I would suggest you purchase or borrow the "Vacuum Tube Cookbook", it is not inexpensive so try your local library. The 6C4P appears to be a good choice, it has an isolated Cathode so you could put them in series. Many rectifier tubs use the filament if as the cathode. They publish data sheets on tubes so you could get the data online. Try this link: frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/6/6C4.pdf It was common practice to generate the higher voltage and get the lower voltages using a resistor divider network as the current draw was low.
– Gil
Commented Nov 19, 2022 at 16:29
• @Gil I will take a look if I can find the book you mentioned. Maybe a resistor divider network instead of the regulators is adequate enough for this purpose, I didn't think of this. Thanks.
– user326520
Commented Nov 19, 2022 at 17:36
• Be careful, the voltages involved can be lethal. You should also research how to work with dangerous voltages and have someone nearby while you're working on things. Remember some components like capacitors can retain charge even when the power is off. Commented Nov 19, 2022 at 18:54