# Output voltage level of TTL gate

The output voltage level of the TTL logic family is from 0 to 0.4 volts (LOW) or 2.4 to 5 volts (HIGH). Suppose we have a TTL inverter with a square wave of 5 volt amplitude as input (0 volt and 5 volt). What will be the voltage levels at the output? On what factors will the output voltage levels depend?

• Is this a homework question? It certainly reads like one. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 15:10
• This question was asked to me in an interview. Commented Jun 5, 2023 at 1:21

The output voltage of a TTL gate will depend entirely on what's connected to it, how it is "loaded".

In fact, the output voltage of anything will depend on the load. It's just that TTL logic outputs are notoriously "weak", having resistance that seriously limits the current they are able to source and sink into/out of any connected load.

To complicate matters, their outputs are far better at sinking current (from a higher potential), than sourcing (to a lower potential). In other words, they are better at "pulling down" (where current is drawn into the output, from a higher potential) than "pulling up" (in which case current is leaving the output, flowing to a lower potential). For example, it's generally OK to connect an LED between a TTL output and +5V (below left), but not to ground (right):

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

It's not easy to say what the output voltage will be; everything depends on the load, and whether that load is a current source or sink, from the perspective of the gate itself.

In general, for an output to be called "TTL compatible", it must comply with a certain set of extreme-case requirements. For example, it must be able to source a certain amount of current, while maintaining a "high" output of at least +2.4V. It must also be able to sink a certain amount of current while maintaining a "low" output of at most +0.4V.

The actual output current limits depend on the family of logic ICs. the 74xx series has different specifications from the 74LSxx series, which differs from 74ALSxx, and so on.

Compare this to CMOS devices (like the 74HCxx series), which have much more symmetrical output characteristics (meaning they can source and sink current with similar ease). Their outputs are entirely compatible with TTL, in that they meet (and far exceed) TTL output voltage minima/maxima, but have much better current sourcing ability. That's why you often see LEDs connected between CMOS outputs and ground, something you'd never do with TTL.

It's perfectly possible for you to over-load both TTL and CMOS outputs in some way that renders the gate unable to comply with specified minima and maxima, but that's not the gate's fault.

For these reasons it's not possible to say with any certainty what a TTL gate's output voltage will be. The best we can do is say that as long as the output is connected to a load that doesn't violate the gate's recommended operating conditions, when it's supposed to be high, the output will be +2.4V or greater, and when it's supposed to be low, the output will be +0.4V or less.

For a TTL inverter (such as one of the gates in a 74LS04), this translates to: as long as the output is connected to a load that doesn't violate TTL recommended output loading, then

• When its input is less than +0.8V, the output will be +2.4V or greater.

• When its input is greater than +2.0V, the output will be +0.4V or less.

These are the only guarantees you get, regarding output voltage.

• Here goes away my doubt ! Thank you very much Simon for your detailed explanation. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 6:46

All we can say for certain is that a logic LOW should be under 0.4 volts, and a HIGH should be above 2.4 volts.

If I recall correctly, in practice, a LOW may be about 0.2 volts, and a HIGH will be 3 - 4 volts when connected to a TTL input.

Both levels will depend on what the output is connected to. If the output is connected to a load passing more than 20 mA, the output voltage (high or low) may not meet the official TTL High or Low voltage levels.

• can you please clarify : "If the output is connected to a load passing more than 20 mA, the output voltage (high or low) may not meet the official TTL High or Low voltage levels." Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 3:23
• Depends on which exact TTL compatible logic family is in question. Standard TTL can't even sink 20mA and source current is anyway about one tenth of sink current, so 20mA is a poor example of a load that a TTL output can't drive anyway. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 4:54

The output voltages are in the range you quoted so you have the answer already.

The output voltages will be guaranteed to be within that specified range, when loaded within the specified load current range, and the chip being powered with supply voltage that is also within the allowed range.

If there is a heavier load than specified, then the voltages may be out of the specified range.

There are different TTL compatible logic families and even within them there are chips with standard outputs and some chips with stronger outputs that can be used as a buffer.

For any specific chip, you need to see the data sheet to know what it is capable of.

• Thanks Justme, but I was interested in knowing the "exact" value of output voltage, when we know the "exact" value of input voltage. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 6:45
• @MajidAhmad There is no such thing as "exact" output value so you can only have a "range" where it is, as it depends on supply voltage, output load, logic family type, IC manufacturing tolerances, and so on. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 8:13
• @MajidAhmad: for TTL (and most other logic families) the exact output voltage will not depend on the input voltage if the input voltage is within the "official" input logic levels. Commented Jun 2, 2023 at 15:21

It is complicated to explain the detail.

Briefly speaking, traditional 5V TTL gate output stages use two NPN transistors.

The transistor at the bottom is for pulling down (sink current.) We know a saturated NPN Vce can be as low as 0.x voltage. Therefore, the low output is below 0.4V.

The transistor at the top is for pulling up (source current.) We know an NPN needs about 0.6V Vbe to turn on. For some reason, a diode is needed between the top NPN and the output stage, another 0.6V. Therefore, TTL output high is almost impossible to be higher than 5-0.6-0.6 = 3.8V. In a real IC, there is a protection resistor causing more voltage drop.

In my experience, TTL output low is about 0.2V to 0.4V; output high is about 3V to 3.5V.

• "A diode is needed between the top NPN and the output stage" for this "NPN" to be reliably switched off. Commented Jun 7, 2023 at 4:30

# How do we demystify TTL output stage?

TTL circuits are some of the strangest creations of circuit designers (perhaps rivaled only by ECL circuits). If we type in the Google window "transistor-transistor logic", more than 18 million pages will pop up telling us "this is so..." but we will hardly find any pages that say "why this is exactly so..." We have no choice but to try to answer our own questions.

There are two oddities in these creations - first in their input part and then in their output part. Here, the object of our attention is their output part.

# Reinventing TTL output stage

I am not a circuit designer, just a "circuit thinker"... and I can only guess what the designers had in mind in the 60's. What I can do is try to reproduce their train of thought in the form of an imaginary pseudo-invention.

## The idea of the complementary output stage

... is extremely simple and intuitive - to change simultaneously and in opposite directions the resistances of a voltage divider. This configuration can be thought of as two cross-fading "pull-up" and "pull-down" resistances.

## Potentiometer

This idea was implemented in its simplest electromechanical form already in the 19th century as a potentiometer. A unique property of this device is that when we move the wiper, the total resistance, current and voltage remain constant; only the ratio between partial resistances and voltage drops changes...

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

... and we use one of the voltages (usually the grounded one) as an output voltage Vout. Use DC sweep simulation.

## Complementary (push-pull) stage

It was implemented a century later using tubes and transistors. The only difference with the potentiometer is that the resistances are electrically controlled and non-linear.

The most logical solution in our opinion now would be for them to then use different (NPN and PNP) transistors. They should be connected with their collectors (as today MOS transistors in a CMOS pair are connected through their drains). We can name this "complementary TTL" structure CTTL:-)

I will use CircuitLab to explore the schematics below. Since they are conceptual, I propose to drive the transistors in the most straightforward way by applying two separate input voltages (Vin1 referenced to Vcc and Vin2 to ground) directly to their base-emitter junctions. Because this is inconvenient in practice, later we will combine them into a single input voltage Vin. We only want to be careful not to exceed the permissible base-emitter voltage. Let's first manually explore three typical states of this configuration.

Vin = 0 V (Vin1 = 700 mV, Vin2 = 0 V). After carefully setting these input voltages, Q1 will be on and Q2 off. A current flows through Q1, exits and passes through the load (a voltmeter with intentionally reduced to 10 k resistance). So the stage is sourcing.

simulate this circuit

Vin = 2.5 V (Vin1 = 750 mV, Vin2 = 712 mV). During the transition, both transistors must pass current (the output should not remain "floating") and the output voltage must be equal to half of the supply voltage. Adjust Vin1 and Vin2 carefully to achieve this condition.

simulate this circuit

Vin = 5 V (Vin1 = 0 V, Vin2 = 700 mV). Now the roles are reversed - Q1 is off and Q2 on. A current flows through the load (a voltmeter with intentionally reduced to 10 k resistance), enters and flows through Q2. The stage is sinking.

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Vin = var (Vin1 = 750 mV - 0 V, Vin2 = 0 V - 697 mV). Finally, let's investigate the stage by a linearly varying input voltages to see the transition. Since I have used CSV voltage sources, use time-domain simulation.

simulate this circuit

As you can see from the graph, the characteristic resembles that of the CMOS stage. It is very steep in the middle because the transistors behave as current sources at the time of switching (dynamic load) and reach the supply rails when they are on. So our "CTTL stage" is almost perfect.

## Conceptual phase splitter circuit

It is time to replace the two separate input voltage sources (one of which is connected to Vcc) with just one grounded source Vin. Let's model it first with the ubiquitous voltage divider, only a little more complicated - with two constant resistors R1 and R2 and a variable resistor RQ inserted between them.

simulate this circuit

When we vary RQ, the common current through the three resistors in series varies (unfortunately non-linearly) and the voltage drops across R1 and R2 vary as well. So if RQ is a voltage-controlled resistor, the two transistor input voltages will be controlled by the single input voltage.

## Practical phase splitter

It remains only to replace the variable resistor with a transistor Q that will act as a voltage-controlled "resistor".

simulate this circuit

Now the voltage drops across R1 and R2 depend almost linearly on the input voltage.

## Prototype of TTL output stage

However, for a number of reasons, PNP transistors were inconvenient to use, and so the designers decided to replace Q1 with another NPN transistor... and this is where the trouble starts (note that it works in active mode as an emitter follower, not as a transistor switch). Let's do it and connect the phase splitter to the NPN transistor pair...

simulate this circuit

... and sweep Vin. But what is this significant current surge at the moment of switching?

Aha... clear! This is the moment when both transistors are "on". We need to somehow reduce the overlap and limit the current surge.

## Classic TTL output stage

We notice that when Q is on, only the Q2 base-emitter junction is in parallel to Q1 base-emitter junction and that is not enough to be Q1 off. We need to insert another diode somewhere in the loop. The designers chose to put it in the emitter of Q1 apparently because the current is higher there. Then, to limit the current, let's insert a 130 ohm resistor R3.

simulate this circuit

Now let's see how the output voltage changes.

At the moment of transition, the current is significantly reduced.

## Why the HIGH output voltage is low

A bunch of problems lead to this:

• A voltage drop is lost in the resistor R1

• Another voltage drop is lost in the resistor R3

• 0.7 V is lost in the emitter follower Q1

• Another 0.7 V is lost in the diode D

You can see it in the graph below.

## How to make it high

We can "pull up" the TTL output by another resistor R4 connected to Vcc. The trick is that diode D is off and disconnects Q1 from the output.

simulate this circuit

As you can see, the output voltage is almost 5 V but only if there is a high resistance load connected.

• Downvoted as the answer is so very excessive, rather than concise and useful. So much of this can go answer without losing anything and I think it's a real slog getting through it or following its points. It could be about a quarter of its length. Being frank, it comes across like a case of the answerer enjoying delivering a lecture, not an answer, and a far-too-long one, rather than delivering what the OP/etc needs. That's reflected in the nice, concise text of the other answers here, and throughout the site. Hence my downvote. Commented Jun 3, 2023 at 22:12
• @TonyM, Thanks for the feedback; it was useful for me. Commented Jun 3, 2023 at 22:26
• I'm glad you got some value from my observations. Just to add that if you look at the accepted answer, which is well-upvoted, it's addressing the content of the question rather than the whole subject like here. Commented Jun 5, 2023 at 18:28
• No, it isn't when you lose the audience :-) I see your arguments but disagree. If you look at the accepted answer, which is well-upvoted, it's addressing the content of the question rather than the entire subject like here. They can go to a different site for tutorials if they want the derivations from root. This site's all about a clear answer to a clear question. My own experience is (generalised): the shorter and more succinct, the better and more memorable. As you say, time and voting will tell. But I understand the question and its answer backwards and I couldn't get through your answer. Commented Jun 5, 2023 at 20:36
• Sorry, no time and I think most here can see how it could be a fraction of its size, because most answers are far smaller. For example, take the first two paragraphs with GIANT heading, they're just chatting - they add nothing and use an inch doing it. It's written as a lecture. As I said, it reads like you want to say it, rather than think someone needs to read it. The speaker's coming first, not the listener, and that never leads to good results. I can't start a long 'how to do it' talk but you don't need me, the site's packed with examples: highly-upvoted answers, all far more succinct :-) Commented Jun 5, 2023 at 21:03

Your interviewer is probably trying to gauge your experience with different logic types, as well as your level of knowledge about IC input and output structures.

The answer to the TTL output swing question is, it depends on how much current the gate is being asked to source (drive high) or sink (drive low.)

What is that output voltage, then? You can't say exactly, at least without an accurate model of the device. But you can say under what load conditions (sourcing or sinking) the gate can achieve a valid high or low, as these are stated in the datasheet and tested in manufacturing.