2
\$\begingroup\$

I have designed a custom PCB which among other things has an RFM69HCW (ignore the text on the PCB, it is wrong) capable of outputting +20dBm. The antenna connection is done using a PCB trace (42[mils] wide, 185[mils] first section, 240[mils] second section) with a PI network. This means that from the module pin to the SMA connector the trace is discontinued and was connected by a zero ohm resistor. The design was done using Eagle (free version) and thus I was limited to a board size of 100[mm]/3.93[in] by 80[mm]/3.14[in] and only 2 layers, with the bottom one being only GND. I did my best to keep the GND as solid as possible, with just 22 traces on the bottom and the longest trace being just 6[mm] and no discontinuation of the GND plane.

enter image description here

LE: Added schematic of the PI Network

enter image description here

Right now only a zero ohm resistor is populated in place of C16 on both boards. The PI capacitors (C15 and C17) are not populated and their values are not computed yet not even theoretically.

Also connected to the input of the RFM are three 603 MLCC capacitors rated 0.1uF@6V3, 1uF@6V3 and 10uF@6V3.

Now, I am no expert in RF engineering, and though I have experience in electronics and programming, RF is beyond my capabilities.

In my research prior to this design, I studied many of the online resources and I came across this document from Cypress/Infineon. At section 18.1 we read the following:

  • Fill the unused area in the top and bottom layers with ground and connect it with the ground plane with many vias spaced not more than one-twentieth of the wavelength of the operating frequency.
  • The bottom ground plane, together with the top ground plane and vias between the two ground planes, ensures that all traces are well shielded. This arrangement significantly improves the EMI and EMC performance.

Across my research, I came across this point again and again: Use vias to shield both the trace and the surrounding area so that they do not interfere with each other: as in RF signal does not go anywhere else but the antenna and the various signals from surrounding area do not impact the RF trace/signal. Thus I created a GND plane surrounding the RF trace, SMA connector, and part of the RFM module and placed many vias around the trace to shield/isolate it from the rest of the circuit.

Recently I learned that too many vias (like I have in this design) could potentially act as an antenna and radiate unwanted power in the surrounding area.

What I could not find anywhere was how many vias is too much and how many vias is not enough.

Now I have my two PCB's up and running with the first few packets being exchanged. What I am doing in the SW is setting up the Transmitter to blast packets at full power (+20dBm with Over Current Protection disabled - as stated in the datasheet). The Receiver (just a meter/three feet away) is receiving all packets with an average RSSI value of about -80dBm. I have an SDRUno nearby and while I do detect a lot of packets (there are still occasional packets not sent for unknown reasons yet) their RSSI appears to be in the range -80[dBm] to -90[dBm].

enter image description here

I will acquire a VNA in the next few days with the intent to measure both antenna impedance and RF source impedance and use the PI network to match the two if required.

My questions are:

  • How many vias is too much?
  • Do too many vias act as RF radiators rather than RF shields/isolators?
  • Can some RF power go through those vias directly to GND plane thus losing effective RF radiated power at the antenna?
  • Can the opposite be true at the receiver, as in RF power being absorbed by the vias and not enough RF signal being received by the receiver?
  • Can I use a VNA (like NanoVNA) to measure these values, or at least to get a better idea of what happens in that part of the circuit?

LE2:

  • Is it possible to use near-field probes to check RF power in that area? If so, are there any tutorials other than the official presentations from various manufacturers?

LE3: The antenna used is this one: ANT-433-CW-HWR-RPS. Datasheet states it is optimized for 433[MHz]

\$\endgroup\$
4
  • \$\begingroup\$ May we see a schematic? I can't tell from your illustration how the RF trace and Pi-network components are laid out. Also, what is the antenna you are using? Just a monopole with an SMA connector? Or a more ground-independent antenna some distance away with a cable feeding it? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 28, 2023 at 15:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ You may be giving too much consideration to EMI and not enough emphasis on transmission line impedance. In any case, at 433 MHz, you should be getting more than -80 dBm at 3 meters distance from a +20 dBm emitter, so something's not optimal. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 28, 2023 at 15:09
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MarkLeavitt I added the schematic. I agree with you that something is not optimal. I am hoping that after this discussion I will have at least a starting point to improve my transmission line. (now I wish to have paid more attention to Transmission Line Theory in University haha) \$\endgroup\$
    – andrew
    Commented Sep 28, 2023 at 15:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MarkLeavitt there is an AD8302 EVA Board available that I can use to measure RF Power (as in VSWR) so I will try to order that and see what results I get \$\endgroup\$
    – andrew
    Commented Sep 28, 2023 at 15:22

3 Answers 3

2
\$\begingroup\$

Here are answers to your specific questions:

How many vias is too much? When you add vias closer than about 1/10 wavelength apart (i.e. < 70 mm apart at this frequency) you're not really gaining any RF benefit.

Do too many vias act as RF radiators rather than RF shields/isolators? No. Vias are just short circuits between the top and bottom ground plane.

Can some RF power go through those vias directly to GND plane thus losing effective RF radiated power at the antenna? No.

Can the opposite be true at the receiver, as in RF power being absorbed by the vias and not enough RF signal being received by the receiver? No.

Can I use a VNA (like NanoVNA) to measure these values, or at least to get a better idea of what happens in that part of the circuit? Yes, you can use a VNA to better learn what's happening with your antenna, matching circuit, and feedline, but you'll have to build another PCB that has a way to attach the VNA where the transceiver module antenna port is.

Before you do this, you should investigate other reasons for the seeming excessive transmission loss. At 433 MHz, the PCB transmission line impedance shouldn't be a major issue, unless it's grossly incorrect or accidentally shorted. Are the antennas both oriented in a parallel direction (e.g., both vertical), and are the units located in the strongest area of the radiation pattern (i.e. on the same horizontal plane)? Is there any metal around the units or between them, and have you moved them somewhat to eliminate the possibility of a null caused by a reflection from a nearby wall or object?

\$\endgroup\$
1
  • \$\begingroup\$ Ok, so I managed to improve the signal by tweaking RX settings on the receiver. Now I get about -60[dBm] at a distance of one meter between the TX and RX. The antennas are oriented in a parallel direction (that is both vertical), are facing each other and there are no objects between them or surrounding them for at least 1 meter in all directions. Right now, I believe that there is something totally wrong with the setup I have (i.e. rf trace on the PCB) and I will check with a VNA. Before that, I will try to check the signal strength in an open space. Thank you for your time. \$\endgroup\$
    – andrew
    Commented Sep 29, 2023 at 11:35
1
\$\begingroup\$

Mark Leavitt answer covers your questions. W.r.t. to the signal level you are receiving it seems low and if you have a proper setup indicates likely a matching issue between your trace and the required impedance for the radio. Your layout includes microstrip with a co-planer ground - is this what you intended and did you run your dimensions through an impedance calculator to check? In general microstrip over a continuous ground without a co-planer ground is most commonly used at least in the 190MHz to 2.5GHz range and thus I'm suspicious of the effects of the coplanar ground on the trace impedance.

\$\endgroup\$
1
  • \$\begingroup\$ I would normally say the OP needs to properly dimension his line for CPWG, but his overall length is probably 1-2/70ths of a wavelength, so it's not going to matter. Plus, half that length has matching components hanging off, so that's going to disrupt the fields anyway. \$\endgroup\$
    – user71659
    Commented Sep 29, 2023 at 20:48
1
\$\begingroup\$

SX1231 has two output amplifiers. Are you sure you are using the correct one? Is it actually connected to the output pin?

When you enable the PA_BOOST for maximum output power, you are also switching to a different output pin from the default RFIO.

Apparently some modules do not connect RFIO, some do not connect PA_BOOST and some do connect both.

Having such a high attenuation might indicate that you are transmitting using a pin that is not actually connected to anything.

\$\endgroup\$

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.