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Or maybe my question should be 'do I really need one?'

I have a circuit where I am driving an SPDT relay with a PIC (and transistor). The relay is switching 12V and ~150 mA (it is switching the coil current from another existing relay)

The circuit is to be used in a car/automobile and the external relay is an existing standard automotive relay. However, does my circuit's relay need to be 'Automotive' or can I use a standard power relay of the correct rating? What is the actual difference between the two types (if the rating is the same)?

I see from various datasheets that they all have differing shock and vibration resistance, but there are standard relays with better performance than automotive ones. The obvious thing is that the supply is usually 12V and they have high contact currents for big loads, but I don't need the power in my case as I'm only switching coil currents. Obviously there are standard connectors for automotive relays (H4 and so on) but there are also through-hole types, which is what I would use.

I am clearly missing something obvious?

Edit: Added simplified schematic of what I'm doing. Essentially, I am diverting the current from one existing relay to another by using a new relay and inserting a diode. The MCU has associated circuitry not shown, the existing relays are powering motors not shown. The dashed line shows existing wiring that I am cutting. The existing switch shown is a simplified representation of a complex circuit, but basically either one or the other relay is powered, and I am able to change which it is by logic in the MCU (in one direction only).

simplified schematic

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  • \$\begingroup\$ FYI they like to see all of your part numbers reference. \$\endgroup\$ – kenny May 13 '13 at 10:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ Well...I am trying to select the part so I essentially have all the parts in the Farnell catalogue as possibilities. \$\endgroup\$ – Jon May 13 '13 at 10:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ First I came up with a standard relay: TE OUAZ-SH-112L, which does as I need. Then saw a subminiature that also is sufficiently rated (but easier to place in my circuit): IMO EV1N-C-WL-12VDC. Then I thought I might need an 'Automotive' one, so I came up with Panasonic JSM1-12V-4. Then I wondered if/why I should choose one over the other. \$\endgroup\$ – Jon May 13 '13 at 10:39
  • \$\begingroup\$ It may have a different rating because an automotive relay may be subject to g-forces and vibration levels that a benign application doesn't demand \$\endgroup\$ – Andy aka May 13 '13 at 10:54
  • \$\begingroup\$ Well, I have seen standard relays with similar or higher shock and vibration ratings to some automotive ones - but the manufacturers can't unfortunately seem to agree on a universal way of rating this, so in some cases they are very hard to compare. \$\endgroup\$ – Jon May 13 '13 at 11:23
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The environment in a car is quite different from that experienced by electronic components in a box on a table in your office. There are several characteristics in particular that stress electronics components more in a car than a office environment:

  1. Temperature. A car still has to start on a cold winter morning in Nome or after baking in the hot July sun until mid afternoon in Yuma. Not only do these extremes pose a challenge to operating ability, but the daily thermal cycling causes mechanical stresses.

  2. Vibration.

  3. Noisy power. "12V" car power is nowhere near as nice as what a 12 V regulated power supply provides. It can drop significantly during starting, goes to 14 V when the engine is running, and can have 10s of volts of nasty spikes on it. For example, the normal 7805 regulator can be damaged by car power, even though it is rated to 35 V. There is a special regulator series that is rated for car power, which of course costs more.

  4. Humidity. The relative humidity is unpredictable and can be at one extreme or the other for extended periods of time.

In addition to this, the end users generally don't tolerate failures as well in cars as they do in ordinary office appliances.

I can't say how much of this is relevant to your situation since you haven't told us what you are really trying to do. However, keep in mind that there are millions of cars sold every year, so the volumes are high and there is considerable competition. If manufacturers didn't have to pay for the extra robust characteristics of the components, they wouldn't. The fact that a car company is willing to pay the extra $.50 for a relay that goes into a million cars, should tell you that it matters. That's $500k they could save if they didn't. Put another way, that's about 3-4 engineers for a year to come up with a cheaper alternative.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I have expanded on the problem in my original question to make it clearer what I am attempting. The logic 'they wouldn't use them if they didn't have to' is entirely sound...I just wonder what characteristics make them 'automotive' because if it is simply power/voltage/load size, it doesn't matter to me, but if it is 'environment' it definitely does. \$\endgroup\$ – Jon May 13 '13 at 13:13
  • \$\begingroup\$ One note I would add to this is water resistance. Your automotive relay needs to be able to get wet, sometimes even submerged and still function without fail. \$\endgroup\$ – Butters May 13 '13 at 14:00
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It is not all about how it works. It is about what requirements are made regarding product development and quality management for the component.

  • Automotive components are managed according to automotive quality management standards (ISO/TS 16949).
  • Electronic components for safety relevant functions, should be compliant with the automotive functional safety standard (ISO 26262).
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