I am looking for information on how much time it takes for a typical LED to shut off long enough that the light can no longer be detected by human eye.
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3\$\begingroup\$ Well, which LED? \$\endgroup\$– user17592May 29, 2013 at 14:42
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5\$\begingroup\$ And which human? \$\endgroup\$– Ignacio Vazquez-AbramsMay 29, 2013 at 14:48
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\$\begingroup\$ Could you clarify a bit? \$\endgroup\$– user151324May 29, 2013 at 14:51
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4\$\begingroup\$ LEDs are much, much faster than eyes. LED speeds are measured in nanoseconds, while eye speeds are measured in milliseconds. So which are you really asking about? \$\endgroup\$– Dave TweedMay 29, 2013 at 15:01
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1\$\begingroup\$ I just ran a quick eye over this question ;-) \$\endgroup\$– Anindo GhoshMay 29, 2013 at 15:52
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Well, movie frames are typically at 24 Hz. Normally the blinking is not very noticeable. Standard video is 30 to 60 Hz, and some folks claim to see the blinking. By around 120 Hz, nobody can see the blinking, except the same people who claim to hear the difference between $5000 speaker cable and just normal speaker cable.
With that, I would argue that about 8 mS is well past the limit of what humans can detect.
Now LED's, any LED except the white ones that use phosphors to make the white light, will be much faster than 8 mS. Typically an LED turn on/off time will be 1000 times faster! Some are even 1,000,000 times faster.
So there you go. While these numbers are approximate, they should be good enough for your application.
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1\$\begingroup\$ Actually, movie flicker is at 48 Hz, since most projectors flash each frame twice, specifically to reduce the perception of flicker. \$\endgroup\$ May 29, 2013 at 15:21
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\$\begingroup\$ Your peripheral vision is much more sensitive to rapid changes, and movement (either your eye or the LED) can allow you to see the on/off times higher than 120 Hz. \$\endgroup\$– W5VOMay 29, 2013 at 15:23
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1\$\begingroup\$ @W5VO Not much higher than 120 Hz. In general 120 Hz is plenty fast enough, but even if you quadrupled that to 480 Hz, my points about LEDs being much faster than the human eye still stands. \$\endgroup\$– user3624May 29, 2013 at 15:58
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\$\begingroup\$ How long do white LEDs take to turn off? because I just upgraded the lights in my house to LED, and there's a visible diming that lasts about 2-3 seconds.. \$\endgroup\$– MarcusJNov 13, 2014 at 23:13
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\$\begingroup\$ The dimming you refer to is probably NOT the turn-off time of the LEDs. It is the decay of the DC power supply output voltage (when the AC power is shut off). I have used a photo detector to look at the turn-off of white LEDs. I've found that 1 microsecond is typical. \$\endgroup\$ Dec 17, 2018 at 20:21
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Let's define a "typical LED" as LTL-307EE. The brightness is a function of the current in the LED. From the datasheet:
So the question is then this: how quickly can you reduce the current in the LED? The datasheet says the capacitance of this LED is \$20pF\$; that will be half of what defines how fast you can change the current. The other half is your driving circuit, which will have some resistance, and some inductance, which serve to limit the current the LED driver can deliver, and thus the rate at which you can turn it on or off.
Since we don't know anything about your driver, let's assume that it has a source impedance of \$100 \Omega\$. This isn't hard at all, and you could do better if you designed carefully. The time constant of this circuit is then:
$$ 10pF \cdot 100\Omega = 1ns $$
So every 1ns, the current increases or decreases by about 63%.
We can go on to consider how many time constants would have to pass for the current to decay to some threshold considered to be "off", or fret about the non-linear relationship between luminous intensity and current, but \$1ns\$ is a really short time. Nerve impulses take orders of magnitude longer to travel, and persistence of vision lasts even longer. So the question to ask is really this:
How long does it take a human to perceive that a light has been turned off?
Since that's a question about biology, not electronics, I'll leave it at that.
answered May 29, 2013 at 19:40