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Any 100W USB PD 3.0 system must support 20V/5A charging. Naively I assumed that therefore they should support 5A at any of the lower voltage rails! But for some unclear reason, I cannot find any PD based system that will output 5A at less than 20V. Here a few examples:

This is consistent among all the different brands and form factors I looked at, be they AC adapters, battery banks, or cigarette lighter adapters. What could be the reason for this? If, as a manufacturer, you put in the effort to bulk up and certify your charger to work at 5A, why would you limit that to only 20V?

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    \$\begingroup\$ Anecdotal: USB PD Rev. 1.0 source profiles 2 to 5 included 12 V besides 5 V and 20 V. \$\endgroup\$
    – greybeard
    Commented Aug 1 at 5:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ What would be the use case here? Obviously the device itself needs a voltage regulator, so even if it wants 12V, why not regulate down from 20V and save some resistive losses? \$\endgroup\$
    – Sneftel
    Commented Aug 1 at 12:40
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Sneftel But nowadays PD3.1 chargers are being used as programmable DC power supplies, and not only by hobbyists. For example. Framework has laptops that support both 36V/5A and 48V/5A, Dell has a 165W supply with AVS at 15-28V/5.85A, etc. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 1 at 20:10
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    \$\begingroup\$ I just tested an XY-PDS100 with a $3 PD3.0 trigger with DC 5.5 barrel out and it does supply all fixed voltages at 5A (OCP is 5.4A), if you use a cable emarked for 5A (OCP is 3.4A with non-emarked cable). \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2 at 0:00
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    \$\begingroup\$ To find others search Aliexpress for the chip SW3518. Some allow you to configure 3A vs 5A output on various ranges (both fixed and PPS), e.g. 100W, and 300W, and 400W units. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2 at 17:57

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The reason is USB Power Delivery standard. You cannot make a product that is against a standard and the standard does not allow it.

Also, as per the name, it is a standard for delivering power, it is not intended to suit directly for powering random equipment with any arbitrary voltage or current levels - you ask for some power level, it delivers it, and you can do anything you like with the power and convert it up or down to any voltages you want inside your device.

So no device will request e.g. 12V/5A and thus no device needs to provide 12V/5A, there is no standard that allows it.

The standard started at some version and at some point was up to 60W using up to max 3A and up to max 20V and requires the device to consume up to 3A and if it needs more power then it should use higher voltage to reduce current below 3A.

So all devices up to this point will work like this, they cannot request more than 3A at any voltage and the cables are rated to pass only up to 3A and the maximum voltage you can request is 20V for up to 60W of power.

Then a new version of a standard gets defined.

The 20V was extended to 5A to provide up to 100W instead of 60W, but 100W or 5A is only available at 20V, and to overcome the requirement of 3A limit to 5A safely, it requires an e-marked cable so you cannot go to 5A unless your cable has an ID chip which says it is safely built to support 5A, otherwise the cable is the limitation for the whole system to use only 3A through a 3A cable.

And when the standard was expanded beyond 60W, it did not change the behaviour when the power is 60W or less - it's max 3A only.

If what you suggest was possible, to draw 12V at 5A, it is hard to justify why your device would want to draw 60W with 12V and 5A for 60W, because it will require anyway all the devices including the cable to be new enough to support the 5A 100W standard version, while you can already draw 60W at 3A and 20V with the old standard for less losses.

What I am trying to say, if you already have millions of people already using the old 3A standard up to 60W, why change any of that how it works as the USB is already complex for normal people to use.

The most simplest solution is, if your device needs 60W at 12V 5A, you transfer the 60W from any supply like Type-C with 20V and 3A and use a buck converter to bring it down to 12V 5A.

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Because the USB PD 3.0 says so...

However, we have moved on passed this specification and now 12V is supported. Supported voltages in USB PD 3.0 was 5V, 9V, 15V, and 20V.

Why specifically was 12V not supported in USB PD 3.0? Good question... Only 20V was reserved for higher wattages in order reduce current handling requirements for cables and connectors. If 12V was required, then that would mean 8.33A would be required to deliver 100W, thus decreasing power quality for said cables and connectors. That's not really ideal for power delivery. Higher amperage would generate more heat, which would make a cable or connector hotter.

Also, if you want a marketing answer: there was not enough demand for 12V to justify supporting it.

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    \$\begingroup\$ That explains the 12V part, but mainly my question was about why 5A isn't available at any voltage below 20V. \$\endgroup\$
    – Rafael
    Commented Aug 1 at 4:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Rafael I think it does explain it just like my answer does. \$\endgroup\$
    – Justme
    Commented Aug 1 at 4:43
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Colin, but once 5A is enabled for 20V, why not for 5-15V? \$\endgroup\$
    – Rafael
    Commented Aug 1 at 4:47
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Rafael As I said: A smaller voltage with a higher current draw was not the goal to maintain a specific power efficiency, hence 3A. 😊 \$\endgroup\$
    – Colin
    Commented Aug 1 at 4:49
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Rafael You extend a standard one step at a time. You either keep compatibility with older standards or break it. When PD was extended to 100W all your existing infrastructure was 20V 3A already and for example laptops worked at 20V already so 30V would need to redesign the laptop input but keeping 20V and allowing more current is how laptop inputs worked anyway. The battery voltage is irrelevant. The charger inside the laptop converts the input power to suitable voltages and currents for the battery. \$\endgroup\$
    – Justme
    Commented Aug 1 at 5:25
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As other have mentioned, the answer to the headline question of "why aren't there any 12V/5A chargers?" is "the standard".

But there's another question in the body which is "why aren't there any 5A chargers at less than 20V?". And the answer is that there are. These are typically high powered chargers that support PPS (this Belkin charger claims to offer "5V – 21V / 4.75A / 100W Max" in PPS mode for example). The standard allows this, but only for voltages above 15V. If you have an X Watt charger, it is permitted to offer X / 20 Amps of current at any voltage between 15 and 20. So a 100W charger could offer 15V 5A, or an 80W charger could offer 15V 4A.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ As I mentioned yesterday in comments on the question, there are also chargers that go up to 5A on the fixed voltage ranges too (vs. only on PPS as above). \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 2 at 17:58
  • \$\begingroup\$ To clarify, when you say 'the standard', do you mean PD to the exclusion of PPS? Meaning that PPS may offer 12V/5A, but not PD 3.0? I'm still unsure if PD supports 5A on the lower voltage ranges or not. \$\endgroup\$
    – Rafael
    Commented Aug 2 at 18:50
  • \$\begingroup\$ In this case I mean version 1.0 of the USB PD 3.2 specs, retrieved from usb.org/document-library/usb-power-delivery, which I've linked in the answer. So far as I can tell, the specs do not permit alternate fixed voltages over 9V or fixed currents over 3A, so these currents are only accessible in PPS mode. \$\endgroup\$
    – James_pic
    Commented Aug 7 at 8:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ Could you please give a more precise document location supporting your claim that "the specs do not permit ..." \$\endgroup\$ Commented Aug 10 at 16:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ @BillDubuque This is based on section 10.2.3.1 of the linked USB PD 3.2 (v1.0) standard. \$\endgroup\$
    – James_pic
    Commented Aug 12 at 7:38

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