# Does combining two separate transformers double the voltage?

Can I wire the outputs of two separate transformers to get twice the voltage? I have two separate, identical transformers from neon signs. Both put out 6000 volts at 30 mA. I would like to use 12000 volts for my project.

• It's hard to do an internet search for transformers. You get all these robot things... – JYelton Jul 30 '13 at 16:34
• Jim Lux has an article on cascaded high voltage transformers on his web page about this, which you should read. – JYelton Jul 30 '13 at 16:39
• Does your project require dc or ac and if ac do the transformers operate at the correct frequency for your needs? If dc what do you need at what current? – Andy aka Jul 30 '13 at 17:39
• Try a voltage doubler circuit with a single transformer. Some sign transformers are center tapped to the housing, in which case 6kv could exist between the housings (danger) and breakdown to the primary windings will take place at some voltage. – Optionparty Jul 31 '13 at 6:33

In theory, yes. providing you get the phase correct. It would effectively be a 6kV - 0 - 6kV transformer.

Would I do it - NO. There is a good chance that the winding insulation will break down and the magic blue smoke will escape - even assuming a 50% safety margin they are not designed for that amount of voltage.

• Suppose you ground the center of the secondary, so that you have two phases (180 degrees apart) of 6kV output --- any worries about insulation breakdown in that case? – The Photon Jul 30 '13 at 16:42
• @ThePhoton Yes - I'd still be concerned about the insulation between the primary and secondary coils breaking down (see Olin's answer also). There is still a 12kV difference between the ends. – JIm Dearden Jul 30 '13 at 17:40
• the project requires 12000 volts 30 miliamps dc , i suppose i coild scale down and use just one transformer , i am trying to use what i have to build a tesla coil ... i guess i could use just one and make the primary and secondary on the tesla smaller ??? – Steven Jul 30 '13 at 23:11
• @Steven have you considered running the two in parallel (60mA) and then building a voltage doubler circuit (diodes/capacitors) designed specifically for 12kV. – JIm Dearden Jul 31 '13 at 9:09
• @ jim i have not thought of that , how would i acomplish that task ? – Steven Jul 31 '13 at 17:48

Yes, it is possible. However, note that there are two ways to "wire the outputs together", parallel and series. In series, the voltages add at the same current. In parallel, the currents add at the same voltage. With your two 6 kV 30 mA outputs in series, you would get 12 kV at 30 mA. In parallel you would get 6 kV at 60 mA.

Note also that the transformers will have a polarity. The output is AC, but you can think of swapping the leads as causing a 180° phase shift. If you connect the outputs in series but one of them is swapped, then you get 0 (to the extent the two transformers are identical and driven identically).

Yet another issue is that for the series connection to work as intended, the outputs need to be isolated. A basic transformer secondary is isolated from the primary, but there could possibly be something like a ground connection between one side of the primary and one side of the secondary. This is unlikely since the 6 kV would be much safer if it were completely isolated from the power line and ground, but it could be worth checking the transformers with a ohmmeter between primary and secondary. Of course they must not be connected to anything except the ohmmeter at that time.

Then there is the issue of what the insulation between the primary and secondary can take. There will be a 12 kV AC difference from one end of one transformer to the other end of the other transformer. However, both transformers are driven from the same power feed, so the insulation capability between the input and output side needs to be bigger if you connect the two to add their output voltages. That kind of insulation requires deliberate engineering, so very well may not have the extra margin to support a series connection.

• i was worried about that ,if the insulation does break down there is the chance the high voltage could end up feeding back into the wall socket ??? – Steven Jul 30 '13 at 23:15
• @Steven: No, but it could cause something to catch fire. – Olin Lathrop Jul 31 '13 at 11:50
• Thank you for your help Olin i am a little worried about fires and what not so probably will not wire them in series – Steven Jul 31 '13 at 17:49

I have seen a friend of mine using five microwave transformers (2.1kV - 350mA) secondaries in series. The output did effectively become 10kV nearly, but the windings started to arc together.

To solve this issue, we he used the glue gun stick to fill all the gap between primary and secondary. It made the problem OK till 8kV transformer but the one with 10kV output still sparked.

I would recommend you re-wind these transformers ( if possible ) in the cascaded transformer shape or find alternate transformers.

I think two transformer rectifier output D.c can be connected in series together, howeever if the output rating of one transformer is more then reverse current can flow in the lower rated transformer resulting in damaging the insulation. still the performance will improve abruptly.

Put the primaries in parallel with complimentary polarity. On the secondaries, both feed separate rectifier circuits feeding common filter capacitor bank. Make sure they are in-phase with respect to the rectifier circuits they are feeding. Both transformers must be identical.