# Help design multiplication / modulation stage

I'm a self-taught amateur analog electronics enthusiast, I wonder if I can get some basic help on a simple circuit to demonstrate an interesting mathematical concept. (Not a homework assignment, but a demo for a talk I am giving on Clifford Algebra). I don't need to build the circuit, I merely need to demo a simulation, I've been using Falstad's (outstanding!) Circuit Simulator.

What I am doing is very simple, simulating a simple oscilloscope with "flying spots" in X and Y driven by a sawtooth wave, plotting X against Y to create a "vector" that angles up and to the right from the origin, with the flying spot "painting" the vector cyclically from the origin outward.

Here is the circuit -- a sawtooth waveform generator on the left feeds both X and Y modulators. A potentiometer (controlled by a slider) on each modulator scales and flips each sawtooth, plotted (stacked) on the left, from the sensors after the first op-amps.

If I slide x back and forth in the positive range, its sawtooth grows and shrinks in height, and if I slide to negative, it flips upside down from /|/|/| to \|\|\|, and likewise with the Y.

X and Y are plotted against each other in the next plot, showing a "vector" being cyclically repainted from the origin out to the "first quadrant". If I modulate X or Y in the positive range, the vector tilts to different angles in the first quadrant. If I slide X over to negative, the vector tilts up and left into the second quadrant; flip Y as well and we're in the third quadrant, flip X back and we're in the fourth quadrant, and finally flip Y back to positive and we are back in the first quadrant.

This much I have figured out for myself. I need help with the next stage which should work exactly like the first stage, except that instead of hand-operated sliders, I want to modulate the x and y sawtooths with a sinusoidal signal as if I were wobbling the two sliders in sin/cos quadrature, thus defining a vector that rotates round and round the origin while being painted radially outward at each orientation.

I'm not even sure if I need a next stage, working from the output of the first stage (as suggested by the second op-amps to the right) or maybe I can just replace the potentiometers with some analog multiplier function that takes an analog sinusoidal signal and uses it to modulate X and Y sawtooth amplitudes.

In the end I'd like to see the vector rotate round and round slowly, through discrete angles (e.g. 10, 20, 30, ... degrees) and at each angle, paint itself out from the center radially before moving to the next. I'd like to supply scalar phase and magnitude values, and use them to control the sin and cos signals that feed to the vector, controlling its rate of rotation.

I know this has got to be really simple, but I'm still struggling with beginner stuff, and I can't seem to figure it out. Can anybody help me?

Here is the text code for the circuit depicted. Do File > Import on Falstad's simulator and paste this text. The second set of op-amps don't do anything really yet, I was just trying to make them do the modulation but you can ignore them for now.

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o 32 64 0 35 40.0 0.4 2 -1
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• Good grief - I need to lie down in a dark room for a long time after reading this question but I think its asking about a Lissajous figure generator. – JIm Dearden Aug 28 '13 at 18:21