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Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF. Not!

  • This is false. Currentrather (V-BEMF)/DCR=I, is minimum no load Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF and max torque ~ 80% RPM/RPMoc or no load RPM
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM Imax= {Vmax/DCR} = 10x I ( rated max) at full Rate RPM and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. This is just surge start current. but at full RPM, these are friction, excitation conduction , & eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems, but the solution will be obvious when you discover the root cause.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF. Not!

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM Imax= {Vmax/DCR} = 10x I ( rated max) at full Rate RPM and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. This is just surge start current. but at full RPM, these are friction, excitation conduction , & eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems, but the solution will be obvious when you discover the root cause.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF. Not!

  • This is false. rather (V-BEMF)/DCR=I, is minimum no load Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF and max torque ~ 80% RPM/RPMoc or no load RPM
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM Imax= {Vmax/DCR} = 10x I ( rated max) at full Rate RPM and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. This is just surge start current. but at full RPM, these are friction, excitation conduction , & eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems, but the solution will be obvious when you discover the root cause.

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Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMFNormally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF. Not!

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I=Imax= {VVmax/DCR} = 10x ImaxI ( rated max) at full Rate MRPM and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. TheseThis is just surge start current. but at full RPM, these are inductionfriction, excitation conduction , & eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems, but the solution will be obvious when you discover the root cause.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I= {V/DCR} = 10x Imax rated at full Rate M and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. These are induction , eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF. Not!

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM Imax= {Vmax/DCR} = 10x I ( rated max) at full Rate RPM and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. This is just surge start current. but at full RPM, these are friction, excitation conduction , & eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems, but the solution will be obvious when you discover the root cause.

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Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I= {V/DCR} = 10x Imax rated at full Rate M and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. These are induction , eddy current losses.

With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I= {V/DCR} = 10x Imax rated at full Rate M and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. These are induction , eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching

With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I= {V/DCR} = 10x Imax rated at full Rate M and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. These are induction , eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems.

Normally the motor velocity is limited by back-EMF

  • This is false. Current and thus Torque is limited by BEMF
  • Velocity is limited by commutation errors , Voltage , friction and temperature rise that arises from conduction lossses.
  • Commutation errors include ringing during dead-time, insufficient dead-time, poor impedance control during dead-time (RC snubber) , excess C with very low RdsOn, ESR, excess ESL in cables, poor high Q switching, **commutation phase error **
  • for BLDC fans when Hall Sensor has a tiny negative phase shift, it results in dither or no spin. If positive phase error, less torque, but in your case you have short circuit, so examine torque vs static rotor position at very low voltage (to limit Trise,)if you suspect phase error, or do adj. with trial and error. With no load, (prop) Max current should be max only at 0 RPM I= {V/DCR} = 10x Imax rated at full Rate M and current at Vmax should be <<10% of Imax at full load with no external,load. These are induction , eddy current losses.

So my conclusion is you have a LOT of commutation problems.

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