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A/V Upscaler accepts C64 composite signal from a Timex Computervideo out of spec? Upscaler rejects it, but not from a C64accepts TC-2048

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Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

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And here's the one from the C64:

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One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

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And the Luma channel:

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Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

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Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler.upscaler; Ithough I still wanted to see ifwished I could somehow solve this somehowproblem, as an academic exercise :)


Here are a couple more of waveforms, with the CVBS of the TC2048 (blue) and the C64C (yellow) side-by-side. First, the Horizontal Blank:

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And the Vertical Blank:

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A couple more detailed waveform on each Vertical Blank:

enter image description here enter image description here

Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

enter image description here

And here's the one from the C64:

enter image description here

One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

enter image description here enter image description here

And the Luma channel:

enter image description here

Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

enter image description here

Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler. I still wanted to see if I could solve this somehow, as an academic exercise :)


Here are a couple more of waveforms, with the CVBS of the TC2048 (blue) and the C64C (yellow) side-by-side. First, the Horizontal Blank:

enter image description here

And the Vertical Blank:

enter image description here

A couple more detailed waveform on each Vertical Blank:

enter image description here enter image description here

Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

enter image description here

And here's the one from the C64:

enter image description here

One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

enter image description here enter image description here

And the Luma channel:

enter image description here

Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

enter image description here

Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler; though I still wished I could somehow solve this problem, as an academic exercise :)


Here are a couple more of waveforms, with the CVBS of the TC2048 (blue) and the C64C (yellow) side-by-side. First, the Horizontal Blank:

enter image description here

And the Vertical Blank:

enter image description here

A couple more detailed waveform on each Vertical Blank:

enter image description here enter image description here

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Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

enter image description here

And here's the one from the C64:

enter image description here

One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

enter image description here enter image description here

And the Luma channel:

enter image description here

Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

enter image description here

Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler. I still wanted to see if I could solve this somehowI still wanted to see if I could solve this somehow, as an academic exercise :)


Here are a couple more of waveforms, as an academic exercisewith the CVBS of the TC2048 :(blue) and the C64C (yellow) side-by-side. First, the Horizontal Blank:

enter image description here

And the Vertical Blank:

enter image description here

A couple more detailed waveform on each Vertical Blank:

enter image description here enter image description here

Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

enter image description here

And here's the one from the C64:

enter image description here

One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

enter image description here enter image description here

And the Luma channel:

enter image description here

Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

enter image description here

Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler. I still wanted to see if I could solve this somehow, as an academic exercise :)

Trying to wrap my head around why a particular CVBS/SVideo to VGA converter I have accepts every composite signal I feed into it, but refuses a C64C CVBS signal (which my 55" Samsung TV doesn't seem to have a problem with). Here's a capture that works (from a Timex Computer):

enter image description here

And here's the one from the C64:

enter image description here

One thing that seems evident is that the voltage amplitude of the Spectrum clone is about half of that of the C64. I've tried a series resistor to no avail. Any ideas?


Some more info here, as I have the C64C, it outputs Luma and Chroma in separate channels. I tried to make an adapter for SVideo, but I'm still out of luck. Here's a sample of the chroma channel:

enter image description here enter image description here

And the Luma channel:

enter image description here

Could it be that the upscaler doesn't receive enough current from these? I'm thinking in trying to boost the signal with something like this:

enter image description here

Meanwhile, I ordered a different upscaler. I still wanted to see if I could solve this somehow, as an academic exercise :)


Here are a couple more of waveforms, with the CVBS of the TC2048 (blue) and the C64C (yellow) side-by-side. First, the Horizontal Blank:

enter image description here

And the Vertical Blank:

enter image description here

A couple more detailed waveform on each Vertical Blank:

enter image description here enter image description here

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