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Given:

  • Transmit power 1 W
  • Receiver sensitivity -95 dBm to -85 dBm
  • Frequency 2.4 GHz
  • distance 2 km

I have used Friis equation to compute it. I will use 2 similar antennas.

$$ P_r = P_t + G_t +G_r - F $$

where F = free space attenuation.

$$ G = (P_r-P_t+F)/2$$

I got G<0, is it correct?

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    \$\begingroup\$ You can't divide something in dB (P, G, etc) by 2 and get a rational answer, which is what you did here: G=(Pr−Pt+F)/2. Proper way is to subtract 3 dB. \$\endgroup\$
    – SteveSh
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 12:53
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    \$\begingroup\$ FrHart64, as previously pointed out, you should accept an answer if it has serviced your needs. You should also upvote answers that have been useful to you. I don't suppose you want to be known as mean and, I don't suppose that gaining a mean reputation is a good for obtaining help on future questions. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Mar 3, 2022 at 9:39

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The Friis path-loss equation using isotropic antennas can be expressed in decibels: -

Path-loss (dB) = 32.45 + 20\$log_{10}\$(f) + 20\$log_{10}\$(d)

Where \$f\$ is in MHz, \$d\$ is in kilometres and free-space is assumed.

At 2.4 GHz and 2 km, that's a path-loss of 32.45 dB + 67.60 dB + 6.02 dB = 106 dB.

Your transmit power is 1 watt (+30 dBm) and your receiver sensitivity might be -85 dBm so, that is a difference of 115 dB hence, you have a surplus of 9 dB and, you can use isotropic antennas in free space for this. Hence your value for antenna gain is negative.

However, over terrain (obstacles) and, with weather changes and man-made noise, a general approximate rule of thumb is to add 20 or 30 dB to your path loss to cater for these extremes.

This is called fade-margin.

Now, your path-loss is 136 dB (30 dB added) and, your transmit power and receiver sensitivity fall-short by 21 dB hence, you need antenna-gain in my humble opinion.

Another Q and A on a similar subject.

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    \$\begingroup\$ if i look for an antenna datasheet, I have never seen the gain with negative value. I got -19 dBi = 2*G, it means G = -8,5 dBi. NO antenna has this value \$\endgroup\$
    – FrimHart64
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 10:02
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    \$\begingroup\$ @FrHart64 please read my answer very carefully especially these bits: you have a surplus and Hence your value for antenna gain is negative. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 10:03
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    \$\begingroup\$ What does "surplus" means? \$\endgroup\$
    – FrimHart64
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 10:56
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    \$\begingroup\$ This is what surplus means \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 10:57
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    \$\begingroup\$ @SteveSh - Hi, If you want to make (relevant) points to the OP, but they aren't related to this answer (e.g. regarding the OP's other question), then it's generally best to do so under their question rather than under a specific answer. Otherwise it effectively mixes two topics in one thread, making it harder for readers to follow either one. Mods can't move comments, so as the OP hasn't (yet) responded to yours, I suggest deleting & reposting your point about their previous question. Thanks for your cooperation. \$\endgroup\$
    – SamGibson
    Commented Feb 24, 2022 at 15:53

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