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I appreciate any help as I try to figure this lightbox project. I need to wire up to 144 3V (built-in resistor) LEDs from flickering tea lights (normally battery powered).

Not sure how many to wire in parallel for a 120V outlet, and what power adapter to get. Suggestions welcome. LEDs-diagram

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    \$\begingroup\$ No...... this will end badly. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 8, 2014 at 22:05
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    \$\begingroup\$ I like best that the wires appear to be shorted at the end of the chain. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 9, 2014 at 1:21
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    \$\begingroup\$ Why would someone vote to close this? It appears very clear what OP is asking plus leaving him/her without help can result in serious injuries. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07
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    \$\begingroup\$ A holy smoke show project? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 9, 2014 at 13:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ You should not attempt to design anyting connected to 120V mains before having learned a fair bit about electronics and electricity. Start with low voltage circuits. For example every appliance must have a fuse. How will you handle isolation. \$\endgroup\$
    – Grabul
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3V LEDs can't be wired in parallel and plugged into 120V AC socket.

They will all be destroyed.

They can only be wired in parallel and powered from (approximately) 3V DC

This article "Hacking a Candleflicker LED" suggest that it might not be practical to wire a few in series either as they appear to modulate their power supply.

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You could drive them in parallel with a 3-5V power supply.

Assuming each LED is no more than 30mA (0.03A), 33 LEDs would be 1A. A 'wall-wart' would be cheap. (The LEDs might be even less power.)

Edit2:
While we haven't got a datasheet for your tea light LEDs, you might want to compare them to this range of Candle Flicker LEDs to get their current rating.

For example, these Yellow 5 mm Clear Candle Flicker LED are rated at forward current of 30mA. They need a current limiting resistor on each LED. Some have quite significant forward current (abut 3x nominal), so decoupling capacitors would help. Also the power supply should be increased significantly to ensure it has some headroom.

I would build the chain in sections and test them using a multi-meter to measure current, to ensure it stays within the capabilities of a power source. Be careful when measuring current because the LEDs are not on all the time, so the reading might be wrong. Give yourself some headroom.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ If I get a 3V power supply can I wire all 100+ of them though? \$\endgroup\$
    – Emiliest
    Commented Sep 8, 2014 at 22:15
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Emiliest - we can't say whether a 3V power supply will power 100 LEDs or not, without knowing the current used by each LED, and the maximum current the supply can deliver. If the total current demanded by the LEDs is less than the maximum rated current of the power supply, then it should work. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 8, 2014 at 22:42
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Emiliest - Just don't have a short circuit at the end of the chain (as shown in your diagram), that might destroy the wires or the power supply or start a fire. For 100 parallel LEDs (with built-in current-limiting resistors), your 3V supply needs to be rated for a current at least 100 x the rated current of each LED. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Sep 8, 2014 at 22:43
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Also, you should account for voltage drop if this is going to be a long run of any sort. 40 ft of 22 guage wire would cost you 2 Volts for instance so you should consider running a 5V power supply to compensate if you are running any lenght. Here is a voltage drop calculator. http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=52.96&voltage=5&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=40&distanceunit=feet&amperes=1&x=64&y=21

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    – Voltage Spike
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You have shorted all LEDs. This is not a parallel connection of the LEDs yet. enter image description here Again 3V LED can't tolerate 120V. If you want to connect those LEDs in parallel then you have to use voltages near 3V and some resistances in series to fix the current. One more thing is that you have to keep in mind the current rating of the supply. If you want to connect too many LEDs in parallel then it requires more current.

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Try to use the combination of Series and Parallel for LEDs. In this way you might be not worried about the need of high current or voltage. But make sure All the LEDs must have same voltage and current rating otherwise they will get burn.

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You could just use thicker wire - your still gonna get a voltage drop but how much is 14 awg wire. Just saves some work of having to solder all those resistors in.

You could also apply a step up transformer if your working with pulsed DC this just factor in .7 for a diode drop and place it were the voltage drops below your target goal starting off a bit high say 3.3 would also help but not any higher

Also if your power supply is unregulated using a higher voltage and adding resistors will allow for a larger change in input power. A regulated power supply will give 3 volts at almost no load and close to 3 volts at max load minis wire loss. So the first LED might 2.95 assuming you start out at 3 volts knowing the exact voltage drop is gonna be tricky .

You could calculate it in say blocks of 5 feet just average it out and expect the voltage at the end of one block will be close to the voltage of the next block. LEDs in the middle will be close to the total average of the entire block minus the expected wire loss to the end of the block. As one block leads into the next it will have all the current for LEDS in current block and all past blocks. You could try to calculate this one LED at a time but that all depends on the exact placement of the LEDs on the wire any any defects in the wire quality of the splicing. For something like this I would take the typical math and add 5 percent to that total.

Your can expect increased loss so that 5 v Power supply should be more like 5.05 or even 5.1 is not gonna hurt heck 5.2 would remain within spec .

Most wall warts do not allow you to adjust them like this. A Meanwell LED power supply will allow for this type of adjustment and they are fairly non expensive in the current range your looking at. Likely not any more than a wallwart once you do all your math put the parts together apply power at 5 volts measure the voltage across each LED ..

If your math was off the ones at the end will be a bit lower than expected. Raise voltage slightly. You could also run 2 or more sets of wire to reduce current say first wire has 15 feet of 40 second set has slightly less 10 feet of 40 3rd set has 7 feet of 40 then 4th set has 5 feet and the last set has 3 feet yes that string will have 40 feet of LEDs. But more than 40 feet of wire as each set of LEDs will have blank wire until the set before it ends this setup will allow for 3.3 volts to be used.
Note the first few LEDs will run a bit high all others will be within spec. If your running 18 small wire still need to know the current draw of the LEDs.
These things run off a button cell battery so they should be pretty small but large numbers it will add up to a bit

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    \$\begingroup\$ Sorry, but this is impossible to read. \$\endgroup\$
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    \$\begingroup\$ Holy run-on sentences Batman! \$\endgroup\$ Commented Dec 14, 2017 at 21:59
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    \$\begingroup\$ Is this "answer" some sort of joke? You can't write a whole page of text with NO PUNCTUATION and zero proofreading. It hurts my brain to even finish the first "paragraph". \$\endgroup\$
    – Bort
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  • \$\begingroup\$ I'm sorry, but this sequence of words does not make any sense. I can't tell whether you're commenting on something someone else said or asking a new question. Please get help from someone who knows more English. \$\endgroup\$
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