1
\$\begingroup\$

Ok I have the following circuit and data (when the subscript is "ef" it means "rms" values):

enter image description here

I am asked to determine the paramenters of the transformer r1 L11, L22 and LM with the given experimental data.

I had no problem extracting data from the open circuit experiment. Using the fact that the active power is given by $$P=r_1 I_{rms}^2$$

I found $$r_1=10 \Omega$$

Then applying induction law in both primary and secondary leaves us with:

$$u_1(t)=r_1i_1(t)+L_{11}\frac{di_1(t)}{dt}$$ $$u_2(t)=-L_{M}\frac{di_1(t)}{dt}$$

Applying phasor notation and taking the rms values will lead us to obtain

$$L_M=\frac{U_{2_{rms}}}{\omega I_{1_{rms}} }=31.83 mH$$ $$L_{11}=\sqrt{(\frac{U_{1_{rms}}^2}{I_{1_{rms}}^2} - r_1^2) \frac{1}{\omega^2}}=55.13 mH$$

Ok and there is no more data we can extract form the open-circuit experiment.

Passing to the short-circuit experiment I will obtain from induction law again:

$$0=-L_{M}\frac{di_1(t)}{dt}-L_{22}\frac{di_2(t)}{dt}$$

Which leads to

$$L_{22}=\frac{L_M I_{1_{rms}}}{I_{2_{rms}} }$$

Problem now is I don't know the value of the root-mean square of current 2 and have no idea how to find it out. My guess is that I need to use the reactive power. But how? I know from Poynting complex theorem:

$$P_Q= 2\omega ((W_e)_{av} - (W_m)_{av})$$

But, and that is another question I have and would like to get ans answer on? How should I apply this formula. For the electrical energy, should I take the capacitor? But what's the voltage value? The same as the open-circuit experiment? And for the magnetic energy? What inductances should I consider? Do I need to calculate an equivalent circuit?

I'm really confused and would appreciate some help. Thanks!

\$\endgroup\$
9
  • \$\begingroup\$ You seem to be calculating the mutual inductance by considering the open circuit secondary but I can't see how this can be done without knowing both the coupling, the output voltage and the secondary inductance. Maybe I missed something? Also, the primary inductance (L11) does not involve U2 although I get the same answer - maybe you typoed. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 18:34
  • \$\begingroup\$ Hi! It can be done applying the induction law as I did! Because I obtain it with the relation between u2 and i1. Because the current i2 is zero... Yes it was a typo, thanks! How would you calculate the coupling and the secondary inductanc? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 19:42
  • \$\begingroup\$ On the short-circuit test, the primary voltage is lowered so there's the rated secondary current drawn at secondary short circuit. \$\endgroup\$
    – Janka
    Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 19:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ Janka I don't understand what you said and how it helps me \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 19:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ Anyone please?? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 20:43

1 Answer 1

1
\$\begingroup\$

The closed circuit experiment will yield two equations instead of one:

$$\begin{align} u_1(t) &= r_1i_1(t) + L_{11}\frac{di_1}{dt} - L_M\frac{di_2}{dt}\\ u_2(t) &= r_2i_2(t) - L_M\frac{di_1}{dt} + L_{22}\frac{di_2}{dt} \end{align}$$

(Note that the signs may need to be changed)

Meaning it will have 2 equations and 2 unknowns (\$i_1(t)\$ and \$i_2(t)\$), which can be solved.

[Edit]

For your short-circuit experiment and when using phasors, this would result into something like:

$$\begin{align} \underline{U_1} &= \left(r_1 + j\omega L_{11}\right) \underline{I_1} - j\omega L_M \underline{I_2}\\ 0 &= -j\omega L_M \underline{I_1} + \left(r_2 + j\omega L_{22}\right) \underline{I_2} \end{align}$$

The solution to this set of equations will be two complex values for \$\underline{I_1}\$ and \$\underline{I_2}\$. You can take the absolute value like with any phasor.

$$\underline{U_1} = U_{RMS}\cdot \sqrt{2}$$

$$I_{RMS} = \sqrt{\frac{\text{re}[\underline{I}]^2+\text{im}[\underline{I}]^2}{2}}$$

And you can calculate the complex power as well

$$\underline{P} = \underline{U_1}\cdot\underline{I_1}^*$$

\$\endgroup\$
3
  • \$\begingroup\$ How the hell do I work with this equations? I need to pass to phasor form but then how do I take the module? Because I will have the sum of phasor I1 and phasor I2 I have no idea on how to take absolute values. Can you be more specific than that? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 28, 2018 at 21:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ Can you help me please? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 29, 2018 at 0:25
  • \$\begingroup\$ can you help me please? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 29, 2018 at 18:04

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.