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In my experiences with DC motors, I have noticed that the voltage measured across the motor when it is off is higher compared to when it is on. Why is that?

I have always paid no attention to it since the motor still spins. Is this a bad indication that supplementary components are needed?

Let us say I have a 6V volt motor and I apply six volts to it via a driver. Upon turning it on it will be just 5.3V. I do not believe that the driver is to blame since I know my drivers are using MOSFETs and the voltage drop should be very minimal.

Should I adjust my input voltage so that upon measuring the motor voltage it goes back up to 6V?

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    \$\begingroup\$ it is unclear what you are saying ... how can the voltage across the motor be higher when it is not connected to a power supply than when it is connected to a power supply? ... the techique used for determining that result may be faulty \$\endgroup\$
    – jsotola
    Commented Dec 8, 2019 at 22:54
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Jake: Do you mean the voltage of the supply is higher before the motor is connected? Please edit to clarify. \$\endgroup\$
    – Transistor
    Commented Dec 8, 2019 at 23:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ " I do not believe that the driver is the blame since i know my drivers are using mosfets and the voltage drop should be very minimal." - Assumptions are dangerous. Did you measure it? To find where the loss is you should measure the voltages at all points in the circuit - at the power supply, at the power input to the the driver, at the output of the driver, and at the motor itself. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Dec 9, 2019 at 1:52
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    \$\begingroup\$ what is the DC resistance eof the motor? (you can measure this) What is the dc resistance of the driver?(you can measure this or look it up), what is the dc resistance of the supply?(look it up, or measure with a dummy load), the resistance of the wires anc connectors mtters too. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 9, 2020 at 21:19

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When the DC supply sags with load current , this is a load regulation error.

Vout=Voc-I*R
(Voc-Vout)/Voc * 100% = Load Regulation Error
(Voc-Vout)/I = effective source impedance.

R is the total resistance of your battery or supply and drivers.

Generally if you need 10% supply stability the source impedance must be < 10% of the DC load resistance.

I suspect your supply is unregulated.

Motor RPM is proportional to V.out with no load. Current = torque + losses

You can increase the motor voltage easily 10% as it is the average power that affects heat rise and normally you want to operate less than the rated power.

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Every resistive element in the current loop between your motor and the voltage source will develop a voltage dependent upon the current flowing. The circuit will contain several such resistances, and will resemble this its simplest form:

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

Even the voltage source, the battery, has some internal resistance, shown here as 0.025Ω. You say that the MOSFETs have no resistance, but that's not the case. Here I represented MOSFET resistance at 0.2Ω. Then all the wiring around the loop will have some total resistance too, which I've arbitrarily set to 0.125Ω.

Obviously these values will vary, but they illustrate the problem; each element will develop some voltage that subtracts from the the total 6V, lowering the voltage that actually appears across the load, the motor.

By Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, the sum of voltages across each element must equal the voltage source, regardless of the current flowing:

$$ V_{MOTOR} + V_{WIRE} + V_{MOSFET} + V_{SOURCE} = V_{BAT1} $$

$$ 5.3V + 0.25V + 0.4V + 0.05V = 6.0V $$

Given that these resistances are unavoidable, there's absolutely nothing you can do about this without raising the source's voltage, as you suggested. However, this approach has a problem; the motor's own effective resistance will vary depending on its mechanical load, and the voltage across it will also vary as that load varies.

You must expect some voltage drop, therefore, but you can minimise it by using thicker wires (and better connectors), a battery with lower internal resistance, and a better MOSFET, with lower \$R_{DS(ON)}\$.

If you do increase battery voltage to achieve the full 6V across the motor under no mechanical load, motor voltage will still fall as load increases, so you still haven't fixed the problem. To ensure 6V across the motor at all times, you require both greater battery voltage and also active voltage regulation, using some kind of closed loop (feedback) control.

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My prompt

In addition to the constant voltage drop of the supply voltage caused by unwanted resistances, there is also a momentary drop of the motor voltage when it is turned on. I asked Gemini AI about this phenomenon with the following prompt:

"Gemini, have you heard that in a DC motor, as it rotates, there is a back electromotive force (back EMF) that is subtracted from the applied voltage? Because of this, at the moment of the motor's initial connection, it acts like a short circuit, and the current is very high because there is no such back EMF. Am I right?"

Gemini's answer

Back electromotive force (back EMF): When the rotor of a DC motor rotates under the influence of the magnetic field created by the stator, a voltage is induced in it. This voltage is called “back EMF” and has a direction opposite to the applied voltage from the source.

Effect of back EMF on current: So, the back EMF has the effect of opposing the applied voltage. The faster the rotor rotates, the greater the back EMF and the smaller the difference in voltages, which causes current to flow through the motor. This means that at higher speeds, the current through the motor decreases.

Starting current: At the moment the motor is started, the rotor is stationary and there is no back EMF. This means that the entire applied voltage is applied to the motor windings, resulting in a very high starting current. This current can be several times greater than the motor's rated current and can cause overheating if appropriate measures are not taken.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ This doesn't answer the question. You've written about back EMF, but the question is about why the supply voltage drops when the motor is connected. \$\endgroup\$
    – JRE
    Commented Jul 28 at 14:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ @JRE, Basically, the question is not formulated very precisely. I have explained why when the motor is turned on, there is a many times greater current and the voltage drops for a short time accordingly. I think this has something to do with the question (at least at the initial moment of turning on the motor). \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 28 at 15:30
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    \$\begingroup\$ I like this form of AI-assisted answer format much better than the Q/A-form you experimented with earlier! What was Gemini doing to assist in this answer? Was it more content-related or form-related? \$\endgroup\$
    – MrGerber
    Commented Jul 29 at 9:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MrGerber, Thanks for your comment which breaks the long silence since I posted my first question about using AI in the meta section. I improved the layout of my AI stories; see for example my last story on my blog. For this purpose, I asked Gemini to respond to me with a more cohesive text. To see the contribution of each of us, I apply the prompt I gave (somewhat carelessly) to it. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 29 at 14:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ So I think Gemini's help here is both content-related and form-related. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jul 29 at 14:56

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