I am trying to galvanically isolate my electronics from the Mains and isolate Earth, so have placed an isolation step-down transformer (230:20) in between the Mains and my electronics.

If I measure from load (which is across the secondary) or the secondary terminal to primary terminal, I am seeing Voltage. The two terminals of the secondary show different voltages with respect to the two terminals of the primary, but both the secondary terminals show voltage with respect to both the primary terminals.

The above readings differ from multimeter to multimeter, some not showing any voltages at all. I am sticking to Fluke multimeter.

I guess this is capacitive coupling.These voltages do not disappear even when the secondary is loaded.

I got my transformer maker to make a transformer with shield in between and grounded the shield. Still the cross-voltage only worsened.

As the source of this voltage is capacitive coupling, I guess this will allow AC noise to be transmitted to the load.

I would like to know if it is possible at all to completely decouple this cross-voltage from the secondary and if yes, by what means ? Can this coupling convey primary side noise and fluctuation to secondary side ?

On the secondary side, I have a switching regulator supplying regulated voltage to an electronics instrument. I do not want secondary side to refer to Earth.

Thanks in advance.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Target is coil isolation with magnetic coupling only. globalspec.com/learnmore/electrical_electronic_components/… \$\endgroup\$ – Optionparty Mar 5 '16 at 15:23
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    \$\begingroup\$ I don't understand. If you have a custom transformer maker, why aren't you having this conversation with him? Explain exactly what you need, and let him tell you whether it can be done, and how (or why not). As posed here, it sounds like your expectations are unrealistic. \$\endgroup\$ – Dave Tweed Mar 5 '16 at 15:39
  • \$\begingroup\$ Which Fluke multimeter on what voltage range? What voltages do you get? Are the voltages the same with the load connected as with just the bare transformer? \$\endgroup\$ – Bruce Abbott Mar 6 '16 at 1:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ Is the shield connected to mains ground? \$\endgroup\$ – Bruce Abbott Mar 6 '16 at 1:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Dave Tweed, I am only sharing here to stand guided or corrected,to be able to have a more informed discussion with transformer makers,to learn from others experience \$\endgroup\$ – gtn Mar 7 '16 at 15:48

I think your expectations are wrong. If the primary and secondary are isolated, you should expect to see some random voltage develop between them.

If the voltage between them were consistently 0 V, that would be a sign that they are electrically connected and that the isolation has failed.

As another answer points out, you may not want perfect isolation in order to protect the secondary from damage due to electrostatic discharge. But even so you might only constrain the floating voltage with back-to-back TVS diodes or a spark gap, which would still allow the voltage between the two sides to vary by 100's of V.

And many isolated systems won't have any such coupling at all. In fact if the isolation is for safety reasons they will likely have to pass a "hipot" test to show that 100's or 1000's of volts can be applied between the primary and secondary without appreciable current flowing.

  • \$\begingroup\$ "If the voltage between them were consistently 0 V, that would be a sign that they are electrically connected and that the isolation has failed" That is a new perspective from you.Thanks. \$\endgroup\$ – gtn Mar 7 '16 at 16:03

It is normal that between two isolated sytems there is a voltage, because of static charge. The secondary is always biased with some voltage referenced to the ground, because we are sorrounded with it. Leaving the secondary floating can make things bad, because there is always a constraint in dielectric strength: if you will touch the secondary electronic, this could destroy the insulation of the transformer, because the voltage difference could rise to tens of kV due to electrostatic discharge. Usually all electroncs is referenced to the ground, even galvanicly isolated.

  • \$\begingroup\$ the secondary is not referenced to Earth, and is low voltage. \$\endgroup\$ – gtn Mar 7 '16 at 15:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @gtn The secondary is coupled trough capacitance withe the environment (or primary) which is referenced to the earth, therefore the secondary is still always in relation to the earth potential, no matter how you are trying to isolate the secondary. So it is better to use MOVs, spark gaps, trisil.. to limit the primary vs. secondary voltage. \$\endgroup\$ – Marko Buršič Mar 8 '16 at 9:23
  • \$\begingroup\$ Connecting ANY surge arrestor components that can activate to low impedance from primary to secondary is VERY dangerous if you want to maintain isolation. You can place them across the primary to limit mains spikes or secondary to limit output spikes but connecting from primary to secondary is asking for a big problem. \$\endgroup\$ – KalleMP Feb 4 '19 at 22:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ Occasionally a high value M.ohm high voltage resistor is sometimes used to carry the primary ground reference to the secondary winding. This is to reduce the chance of static build up. If the primary earth is good this should counteract some of the capacitive leakage but removes the full isolation. \$\endgroup\$ – KalleMP Feb 4 '19 at 22:34
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    \$\begingroup\$ @KalleMP I never meant to connect somethng between primary and secondary, but between earth and secondary. \$\endgroup\$ – Marko Buršič Feb 6 '19 at 14:21

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