1
\$\begingroup\$

I know how to calculate the transfer function of an ideal opamp. But when calculating for a real opamp, should I use the Input Bias Current values specified in the datasheet? If so, use the Min, Typ, or Max value?

Note: the links provided are only an example, not of the circuit I trying to figure.

How should I approach finding the transfer function, and essentially the value at VOUT?

\$\endgroup\$
9
  • 1
    \$\begingroup\$ Assume the worst case, which is maximum input bias current since the input bias current is ideally 0. \$\endgroup\$
    – Null
    Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 14:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ So, if I am interested to find the input bias current of the current circuit, I modify the inputs setting, and subtract the two, but use a variable for the input current, right? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 14:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ Are you asking how to do this without a simulator? \$\endgroup\$
    – copper.hat
    Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 15:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ Ughh, For that circuit I think I would just simulate it. In general I don't think the input bias current will effect the gain that much.. (mostly a DC offset). After ideal, the next thing you want to add in is the GBW of the opamp. (Assuming the typical single pole gain roll-off.) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 15:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ But how to calculate this multi stage opamp circuit? I know how to do a single step, but not sure about this, and just want to make sure I am approaching this right \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 15:32

1 Answer 1

1
\$\begingroup\$

As indicated already by G. Herold - forget the bias currents. These currents have only a minor effect on the circuits function.

Overall transfer function: It is not easy to read your drawing, but I guess the overall feedback resistors are R5 and R6, OK?

That means, your circuit contains a main amplifier A - consisting of two opamps (A1 and A2 with internal feedback) in series with an RC lowpass in between. Therefore, as a first step you should find the expression for the overall gain A. Then, as a next step, you apply Black`s feedback formula for the closed-loop gain Acl:

Acl=A/(1+A*k)

with k=feedback factor k=R6/(R5+R6) .

This gives you the gain referenced to the non-inv. input of the 1st opamp. As a final step, you can consider the passive circuitry at the non-inv. input.

Comment (edit): The first opamp in your circuit has no internal feedback. Therefore, if you assume ideal opamp properties (open-loop gain infinite) the gain A also will be infinite, and the closed-loop gain reduces to Acl=1/k. Otherwise (for real opamp properties), you must use the frequency dependent gain function for each of the two opamps.

\$\endgroup\$
2
  • \$\begingroup\$ I want to find the effects of the Caps on the transfer function. How can that be found from those calculations? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 15:59
  • \$\begingroup\$ There are only two capacitors (C3 and C4) which are to be considered. I suppose, you know how to find the gain function for one single opamp with capacitive feedback? \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Commented Oct 21, 2014 at 16:04

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.