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I was looking to build a system for high currents (say ~30 amps) and a friend suggested vacuum tubes. In theory, vacuum tubes seemed more robust for high current applications, but after looking around, and I found a bunch with relatively low current ratings (~10mA.)

I wanted to avoid mechanical relays if possible because they seemed a poor design for high speeds. I also preferred to use a CMOS type design--my setup is symmetric with respect to p-channel and n-channel MOSFETs (at least in my circuit simulator.) I noticed some vacuum tubes have a dual gate--which fits perfectly into my design. The question is whether they can handle these currents at high speeds.

My voltage should be quite low ~50V.

EDIT: I am designing an induction heater, but I am trying a different approach in which I treat the heating element and the object to be heated as a black box, and use the proper switching elements to counter whatever voltage the black box produces. That is the basic idea. There is obviously more to it (e.g. have the switch on only after a threshold voltage, and off beyond another threshold voltage that would damage the circuit.) Anyway, it was just something I wanted to try, and thus far, it seems like a relatively cheap project considering I can get a lot of parts from old stuff at yard sales, ebay, etc.

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    \$\begingroup\$ I see you have already accepted a answer, so I'll make this only a brief comment. This sounds like a silly application of vacuum tubes, even if you could find them. 50V and 30A can be handled by transistors much more efficiently. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 19:20
  • \$\begingroup\$ Actually, I meant to check your answer. Although I appreciate both answers. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 21:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ Huh? I didn't write any answer, since one was previously accepted. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 21:52

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A very short answer with not too much detail goes like this:

  • Tubes are good at medium to high voltage and low current.

  • Transistors (especially MOSFETs) are good at low to medium voltage and high current.

Exceptions exist, but for the common and most used examples of said parts, the above... ahem... selection guide is a start.

For fast (> 10 kHz) switching applications based on tubes, you may want to look into (literature for) horizontal deflection circuits in old (pre-1970) TV sets.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Ok. If that is the rule of thumb, then so be it. Thanks. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 18:17
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Feynman, Note what high voltage and low current can imply. We run our primary vacuum tube at 14kV and 15A. \$\endgroup\$
    – Kortuk
    Commented Feb 7, 2012 at 10:17
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Tubes exist which can be used to switch very high currents and voltages. You can do a search on hydrogen thyratron as one example. Thyratrons tend to be used in laser, radar and other relatively exotic applications, but have also been (ab)used by Tesla coil fans.

They work more like SCRs than conventional transistors. Once triggered, they remain in the 'on' state until something breaks the circuit.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Thyratrons are still closer to the thousand volt, single amp range... \$\endgroup\$
    – user16324
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In response to your goal of making an induction heater, wikipedia says that vacuum tubes were used in induction heaters until the early 1990s.

No, tubes are not great at switching 30A but this is not necessary as a transformer can (and was) used to drive the output coil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heater

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If you look at the RF power amplifiers used by radio and TV stations you will find tubes capable of handling kilowatts of power, so the short answer is that vacuum tubes can handle high power and high speed.

That having been said, that does not mean that they are the only way to go, or that they are appropriate for your application. You would need to describe in more detail what you are hoping to accomplish.

EDIT: Based upon the additional information you added to the question.

You state the application relates to inductive heating. Microwave ovens use vacuum tubes, specifically a cavity magnetron to heat the food. Microwave ovens operate at a frequency of 2.45 GHz, which would qualify as high speed by most standards.

So it is safe to conclude that vaccum tubes are in widespread use for dielectric heating.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Ok, fine. See my edit--once I make it... \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 18:08
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    \$\begingroup\$ Yes, a magnetron is a vaccuum tube, and is in common use because there is one in every microwave oven. However, the OP wants to build a induction heater. That is totally different from heating with microwaves. Basically the thing to be heated forms the secondary of a transformer. 50V and 30A sounds plausible for a induction heater. Tubes would be very very inefficient and costly in that regime. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 19:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ Olin: Answering this question was like shooting at a moving target. The original question was if vacuum tubes are good for high current and high speed, and clearly they are. The question of how to best build an induction heater is really a different question, and I certainly agree that I see no reason to use vacuum tubes. There is also bad information here in that with proper output matching tubes can deliver high output current into low impedance loads as evidenced by the use of RF ampmeters at AM broadcast stations. \$\endgroup\$
    – JonnyBoats
    Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 22:42

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