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I know MOVs inside surge protectors degrade over time, but I also see manufacturers putting notes on the box that the protection warranty is void if I daisy-chain surge protectors.

So questions:

  1. Is there an estimate of what the life of a MOV is if:

    i. it has never faced a surge before?

    ii. it has faced some surges before?

  2. I'm buying surge protectors with indicators showing the effectiveness of the surge protection: how do they work?

    How does that indicator know if the surge protection is still effective?

  3. Why do manufacturers discourage daisy-chaining of surge protectors?

I'm assuming most off-the-shelf/commercial "computer"-grade surge protectors use MOVs.

I was interested in finding out if the MOVs are connected in parallel to the AC output of the surge protectors?

If so, how do MOVs connected in parallel interact (something like connecting resistors or capacitors in parallel or series changes their values)?

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Is this question about MOVs specifically? \$\endgroup\$
    – tyblu
    Commented Jun 18, 2012 at 4:30
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    \$\begingroup\$ @tyblu: I not sure. I assuming most off-the shelf/commercial "computer" grade surge-protectors using MOVs? \$\endgroup\$
    – sekharan
    Commented Jun 27, 2012 at 4:46
  • \$\begingroup\$ The issue is largely not related to the surge protectors; it's the same reasons you don't daisy chain extension leads or power boards: more impedance means more volt drop and less fault current. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jan 18, 2020 at 10:56

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You should not daisy chain protective devices (fuses, MOVs, breakers, etc.) without first doing the appropriate research because generally speaking, they are rated to interrupt in x seconds given a particular fault current. When you have two protection devices with similar ratings in the circuit, they end up both trying to interrupt and may very well end up interfering with each other's interruption capability, possibly to the point where neither will properly clamp or interrupt the fault, causing excessive current flow and possibly fires.

e.g. A fuse chosen more or less at random will clear in 1s with a ~20A fault current. If you have a second fuse with similar ratings in series, they will actually start limiting the fault current as they open up, and the fault current is no longer 20A, it may be 15A, or 10A, or ... you get the idea. That same fuse will clear a 10A fault in ~10s, which could be enough time to heat up wire or traces or cause a semiconductor to fail because it wasn't designed to handle that kind of current for that kind of time.

e.g. A MOV series chosen more or less at random will clamp a surge at 130V. Two in parallel will have (slightly or significantly) different clamping voltages, usually with the lower one "winning". The breaker/fuse and MOV are usually selected so that the MOV will clamp and the breaker will open with the surge current, but when you mix and match you end up with a MOV clamping earlier, which the fuse/breaker wasn't designed to trip at, which now alters its fault ratings, leading to unpredictable protection.

In the industrial power world this kind of interaction is actually a significant part of the overall electrical design, since you have substation transformers protected with fuses, and the downstream equipment protected with their own fuses or breakers, and then the load controllers protecting their semiconductors or motors again with their own protective devices, usually a combination of MOVs or fused MOVs and either breakers or fusing. There's a lot to look at, including the I2T ratings of the protective devices, interrupting capabilities, pulse withstand capabilities, temperature derating, clearing times, current limiting effects as the devices become active, Joule ratings and so on. Here are a few good references if you wish to look into it further. The term "fuseology" has come about to describe this particular aspect of electronics design.

... and I bet you thought fuses, breakers and TVS type devices were pretty simple, didn't you. :-)

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    \$\begingroup\$ It sounds like this advice would apply to if you have a "whole house" (main panel) surge protection device - therefore you should not use standard plug-in surge protection power strips? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 10:29
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    \$\begingroup\$ Fuses, MOVs, and breakers either interrupt excess power or they are faulty. Adding redundant ones does not make the job more difficult for existing ones. \$\endgroup\$
    – Boann
    Commented Mar 8, 2020 at 17:30
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Boann I would encourage you to read up on fuse selection and more specifically, combination protection. I provided some links in my (now 8 year old) answer. It's not as simple as you think, particularly in larger (higher power) applications. Breakers and fuses can and absolutely do interfere with each other, although in many (consumer) applications it's not enough to cause significant issues. \$\endgroup\$
    – akohlsmith
    Commented Mar 9, 2020 at 11:36
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    \$\begingroup\$ The question isn't even about fuses and breakers. \$\endgroup\$
    – Boann
    Commented Mar 9, 2020 at 13:10
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Re a few of the responses, supposedly from knowledgeable engineers . . . .

  1. Daisy chaining surge suppressors (running them in series) would not increase or decrease their current interrupting capability. The current is the same every where in a series circuit, so the first fuse or breaker would be exposed to the total demand of chained surge protectors, and it should interrupt at its rated capacity. No matter it was something plugged into that unit or one down stream.

  2. Now if you place multiple protectors in parallel into the same outlet, the house breaker would be exposed to the total demand. Either way the smallest rated fuse device would pop first, as they should. No problem here either.

  3. I believe the liability factor has a lot to do with posting the "Do not daisy chain" warnings.
  4. Also, the internal nesting of the MOVs in parallel should be more of an issue than anthing. Even tho, the ratings of the MOV devices are the same, they all do not react at the same time, the first to fire, takes the biggest energy burst and would be the first to fail, and the next to activate would get the 2nd highest burst, and so on. Even tho, this happens in micro or milli-seconds, it still happens. However this is what is needed to build up large, electrical shock absorbers. Because MOVs are not made in large capacity, they must be bundled in parallel to get high ratings.
  5. Also, important to realize, is that the joule ratings on the box or device are the total capacity between all three leg-pairs. Therefore, the actual ability is one third between any two legs, at one time.
  6. As for aging, metal-oxide-varistors (MOVs) age like other electronic components. One way to check them, tho it's a bit tricky, is to unplug the arrestor from the mains first. Then setup a multi-meter set for about four to five MegaOhm range of resistance. Place the probes into the socket holes and look for any resistance between the three pairs, neutral to hot, neutral to ground, hot to ground. You should see OL (over-load) readings, which means the resistance is too high to register on this range. However, you may also see initial readings that then climb until they go OL. This is the effect of capacitance charging. If the readings just stay fixed at some Mega-ohm (or lower) reading then this is probably a leaky MOV.
  7. I worked electronic-technical-support for major fortune 500 companies for 25 years. As the ability of surge suppressors increased, We always recommended a minimum of 2,000 joules. Now days, I would recommend at least 3 thousand joules and a clipping voltage of no more than 330 volts, preferably lower. Also the line cord should be at least 14 gauge, 12 gauge if really long. I recommend surge suppressors on all electronic devices and also on devices that have motors or compressors because they are the sources of most local spikes. This includes dish washers, washing machines, dryers, refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners, etc.The power grid in the U.S. has consistently become more and more dirty. It is now awash with all kinds of R.F. and other switching hash which travels collectively up and down the power lines between sub-stations.

  8. Like belly-buttons, we all have our opinions. But, hopefully they are based on sound electronic theory. Later.

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I believe daisy chaining is discouraged to prevent overloading of the circuit(s) and the warnings are more for minimizing insurance liability.

A consumer-grade power strip is good for 15 to 20A. Put another one on and the first unit is now expected to endure 30 to 40A. (and so on). Another reason people will daisy chain is to extend the reach of the electricity. As the power strip is intended for its own 6 feet of reach, the conductors are not suitable for 10~15A over the longer distance of 3 or 4 power strips of length. Instead of daisy chaining for length, buy a thicker gauge extension cord to fit a power strip to.

Obviously, everyone does this anyway. Me personally, I put computers on their own power strip then daisy chain all the odd power adapters as needed to get all of them fed.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I was interest in find out if MOVs are connect in parallel to AC output of surge-protectors? If so, how does MOVs connect in parallel effect them (something like connect R or C in parallel or series change their value/property)? \$\endgroup\$
    – sekharan
    Commented Jun 27, 2012 at 4:49
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    \$\begingroup\$ I'm pretty sure that anyone who plugs a 15A power strip into another 15A power strip, which is then fed off of a 15A residential circuit isn't expecting them to source 30A, or at least not for very long. \$\endgroup\$
    – akohlsmith
    Commented Jul 2, 2012 at 3:52
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    \$\begingroup\$ People rarely daisy chain (at home) because they need more length, they almost always daisy chain because there's just not enough plugs available \$\endgroup\$
    – Thomas
    Commented Aug 11, 2016 at 6:18
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Thomas: It's too bad that there's no standard for "low-current" and "very-low-current" plugs and sockets. Many devices draw only a fraction of an amp, and there's no reason that it shouldn't be possible to service 12 such devices with current drawn from a single receptacle, but I know of no way to achieve that without daisy-chaining power strips or multi-taps. \$\endgroup\$
    – supercat
    Commented Dec 9, 2016 at 18:23
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    \$\begingroup\$ @BrianKnoblauch: The problem is that single-receptacle extension cords which can handle 15 amps get lumped with the light-duty multi-outlet ones that can't even handle half that. \$\endgroup\$
    – supercat
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In surge protection, coordination is a serious and challenging problem. In all but the simplest surge protection circuit, one has to use multiple types of components at the same time. However, some components are faster or more sensitive, other components can be slower or less insensitive. Thus, a multi-stage circuit works properly only when design engineers ensure all components parameters are carefully "tuned" to produce the correct timing, so they would work cooperatively together during a surge.

Depending on the "school of thought", standards, applications, or just parameter tunings, each surge protector can behave differently. When multiple surge protectors of unknown designs are chained together, the correct coordination is thus no longer guaranteed.

Single-Stage Protection Circuit

Let's first consider a cheap single-stage surge protection circuit, with a shunt element connected in parallel with the power lines.

How it works

A single-stage shunt protector is a crowbar circuit.

Single-Stage Surge Protection Circuit - Metal-Oxide Varistor or Gas Discharge Tube, in parallel with the power lines

During normal operation, the line voltage is well below the threshold voltage of the shunt protector, so it behaves like an open circuit. When a surge occurs, the line voltage rises above the threshold voltage of the protective component, the impedance of the protective device decreases and creates a high current flow to ground. Since the source has a finite output impedance, the line voltage is reduced. The appliance only sees a momentary voltage droop and continues to operate.

If long-term overvoltage is a risk, such as when a signal line is accidentally connected to a power line (known as power line crosses incidents), one can also include an extra fuse F1. When the surge protector remains a short circuit for a long time, fuse F1 is eventually blown to permanently disconnect the load.

The most common component for power line protection is a Metal-Oxide Varistor (MOV), which is used in almost all surge-protected AC mains power strips and other general-purpose applications. Gas Discharge Tube (GDT) are also common for low voltage signal or DC power lines protection due to its high current rating and low parasitic capacitance. Other protective devices include spark gaps, Transient Voltage Suppression (TVS) diodes, Zener diodes, and Thyristor Surge Suppressor (TSS).

Note that GDTs are usually not used directly across AC mains due to its hysteresis (negative resistance), which means it turns off only after the line voltage has reduced to a much lower level than the surge voltage that initially triggered it, and likely creates a long-term short circuit on the AC lines.

Performance Limitations

A single-stage circuit has its limits.

During a surge, the protector must withstand massive energy dissipation due to \$ I^2R \$ heating without being destroyed. Since GDTs use an electric arc as its conductor, the very-low resistance enables their high current ratings. On the other hand, MOVs have reasonable but lower current ratings than GDTs.

Another requirement for protectors is a fast responding time. They must react to overvoltage as soon as possible to catch transient surges. MOVs are great choices: they're diode-like semiconductor devices, so they can respond on the scale of 1 nanosecond. GDTs are not-so-great: gas ionizing is a slow process and takes time on the scale of 1 microsecond.

Bad Two-Stage Protection Circuit

To increase the protector's current rating, it calls for a two-stage protection circuit. But as we'll see, here's where all the coordination troubles start, with numerous pitfalls.

MOV protector and GDT protector in series

Let's consider what happens when a naive user (or circuit designer) connects two surge protectors from both vendors in series. One is MOV-based, another is GDT-based. If a MOV reacts fast, and a GDT withstands high current, it's the best of both worlds when we combine both, right? What can possibly go wrong?

Two-Stage Surge Protection Circuit - parallel Metal-Oxide Varistor and parallel Gas Discharge Tube used at the same time without coordination, WRONG!

The problem is the "race condition" between the GDT and the MOV. Since GDT takes ~1 microsecond to respond, while a MOV only needs ~1 nanosecond. The MOV always wins the race as a result. During a surge, MOV immediately turns on after several nanoseconds to clamp the surge, so the GDT never sees it and never turns on!

In the best-case scenario, the GDT protector is rendered useless by the MOV protector, but the MOV protector itself absorbs the surge, so it's a only waste of money to purchase the GDT. In the worst-case scenario, the MOV is destroyed by the surge soon after it turns on and fails as an open circuit, sending the full surge voltage to the next stage and destroys the load. Only 1 microsecond later, the GDT protector finally turns on. The result is both a destroyed load, and a waste of money to purchase the MOV.

Two MOVs in parallel

Another way to increase the surge current rating is connecting multiple MOVs in parallel, as a result, the overall current rating of the surge protector is increased.

Single-Stage Surge Protection Circuit - two parallel Metal-Oxide Varistors, one must use MOVs with same vendors and models.

It's not as good as it seems: MOVs are not ideal resistors, equal current sharing is not guaranteed, the overall current rating will be lower than the sums of all individual MOVs's ratings. But when all MOVs are of the same types and models, the result is good enough. Thus, it's a valid and very common strategy when it's correctly designed.

However, when multiple MOV with different vendors and models are combined, current sharing is no longer guaranteed. The MOV with the lowest threshold or resistance is forced to withstand the full surge currents. The same situation occurs when multiple MOV surge protectors are connected in series.

Two-Stage Protection Done Right

Coordination via Series Impedance

The common most solution to the coordination problem is the following:

First, the large protector is placed at frontend of the circuit to do the heavy-lifting, the small protector is placed at the backend of the circuit to suppress the remaining residue surge. Both protectors are separated by a series impedance - it can be a resistor or inductor intentionally designed into a single protector. Sometimes, the parasitic inductance of the line wiring itself is assumed to provide this impedance implicitly.

Two-Stage Surge Protection Circuit - parallel Metal-Oxide Varistor and parallel Gas Discharge Tube used at the same time. Coordination is done via series impedance.

For example, the diagram above is a possible way to coordinate a GDT and a MOV. During a surge, the MOV is first turned on within nanoseconds. The large current flow creates a voltage drop across the series impedance Z1. This voltage drop creates a high voltage before Z1 even after RV1 turns on, allowing the GDT turn on after 1 microsecond as well. As a result, both components suppress the surge cooperatively, and the total current rating of the surge protector is increased.

Coordination via Semiconductor Current Limiter

For protecting low-voltage signal lines, another attractive solution to coordination is special semiconductor current limiters. They're high-voltage low-current resettable fuses made via semiconductor switches. During a surge, the secondary protector first turns on to absorb the initial transient. Once current reaches 100 mA or so, the load is disconnected by the switch and remains fully protected as long as surge voltage does not exceed the rating of the switch. For extra safety, GDTs continue to provide primary surge protection.

Two-Stage Surge Protection Circuit - parallel Metal-Oxide Varistor and parallel Gas Discharge Tube used at the same time. Coordination is done via semiconductor current limiter like Bourns TBU.

Conclusion

The discussion above barely scratched the surface, there are many surge protection circuit topologies for different applications. But as we can see, mixing surge protection circuits can create the following outcomes:

  1. If a high-threshold, high-current protector is located at the frontend of the circuit, a low-threshold, low-current protector is located at the backend of the circuit, and both are separated by a series impedance, both protectors work cooperatively when they're sized properly.

  2. When a high-threshold and a low-threshold protector are chained together, only the low-threshold protector will likely remain functional.

  3. Only when reasonably matched MOV protectors are chained together, their current ratings are increased.

  4. The possibility that surge protectors interact in a way that make all of them ineffective cannot be ruled out in unusual circuit topologies, but is unlikely for popular MOV-based protectors.

These conclusions explain why small surge protectors in home appliances usually don't interfere with the operation of the large surge protectors in the electrical box. It also suggests that a whole-house protector is not always a replacement for smaller protectors at appliance's side.

It also suggests that chaining surge-protected power strips is probably a non-concern for home applications, strictly from the perspective of protection coordination (not circuit overload). Losing one protector from a chain of two usually has negligible effect. Furthermore, many appliances have internal protections inside their power supplies. When these appliances are plugged into a surge-protected outlet, there's still a chaining even if the user is not doing it willingly.

The disclaimer not to chain surge protection is mostly to avoid legal liability for two reasons. First, a chained surge protector is operating under unknown technical conditions that it's never designed or tested for - although it's probably not a big deal. Furthermore, there's an increased risk of fire if the circuit is overloaded.

For distribution-box level installation, industrial applications, and protection circuit design, the problem of protector coordination can no longer be ignored. Furthermore, it also explains why most surge protectors only use cheap and boring MOVs for protection, in contrary to the high-tech impression that vendor's marketing wants to create. Cost is one reason, the fast-response of MOVs is another, the difficulty to reliably coordinate multiple forms of protection (especially with MOVs) is likely also a major reason.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Typo? "procedure the correct timing". Some comments: 1. MOVs don't switch; at all. They're more like soft zener diodes. 2. GDTs switch, but they are not ideal short circuits; no device can force a surge to actually-zero volts. If this was meant more in the sense of "tries to pull towards zero", that could be made clearer (e.g. explain clamping voltage via Thevenin equivalent). 3. What type of lines or application is this? A GDT is unsuitable for mains line-to-line, the context I assume from the OP; if you're taking a more general perspective, it might be worth noting this. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 26 at 23:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ @TimWilliams 1. Typo fixed. 2. I don't believe it's necessary to show how a crowbar circuit works in terms of source and load impedance. People here already know what a voltage divider is, don't they? Perhaps you think that it would be still useful because this question is of popular interests, so it would worthwhile to show more details? Hmmm, maybe... \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 27 at 0:22
  • \$\begingroup\$ @TimWilliams 3. I wrote this without considering any particular application. The idea of showing the GDT/MOV coordination came from low-voltage DC signal line protection, and also from 10/350 µs lightning surge protection. Primary protectors for those are often spark gaps, secondary protectors are MOVs. It's particularly interesting as experience showed proper coordination is often impractical, and thus has been criticized by some for sabotaging good engineering. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 27 at 0:32
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    \$\begingroup\$ Thanks, this is improved -- a fundamental is still missing though. MOVs do not crowbar; there seems to be confusion between low incremental resistance (dV/dI) and low instantaneous resistance (V/I). A MOV will never have less instantaneous resistance than Vpp / Ipp; but the incremental resistance can be quite low (mΩ?), i.e. once it's in the, whatever, 400V range, deep in breakdown, increasing by another 1V might draw additional dozens of amperes. Thyristor TVS work similarly to GDTs in that they exhibit latching; but MOVs and zeners merely clamp, no crowbarring. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Jun 27 at 3:42
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I don't think daisy chaining surge protectors would cause one or both not work since they are down line from each other, what would happen is that a surge would come through and be stopped by the first protector, if electricity is allowed to continue flowing it would then hit the 2nd protector which wouldn't do anything since the first one stopped it, if by chance the first protector didn't stop the surge then the second one would catch it hopefully.

However, the reason you don't daisy chain surge protectors is what Chris K said when he wrote: "I believe daisy chaining is discouraged to prevent overloading of the circuit(s) and the warnings are more for minimizing insurance liability." Some people will daisy chain them to either gain more outlets to plug stuff into which will overload the circuit and could cause a fire, or to act like an extension cord, but surge protectors do take some of the electricity voltage and drops it down which is why XBox says not to plug any surge protector into it's Xbox stuff because they put a built in surge protector into the box, and plugging the box into another surge protection may not allow the Xbox to even turn on due to the drop in current.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Have you ever heard of loads in parallel? Cuts the current in half. Have you ever had a fire marshal stop by your place of employment? they aren't happy when they see daisy chained surge protectors \$\endgroup\$
    – Voltage Spike
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