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At the top is the main circuit. Below that is the circuit formed by removing the 5 A current source (We remove that for using the superposition principle and this is the first step).

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I don't understand that after removing the 5 A current source we found that V0' and we said that VΔ should be equal to 0.

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How do we get that equation? Why is all the right side completely gone (if I understand that correctly)?

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    \$\begingroup\$ I don't understand that either. It doesn't seem to make sense. \$\endgroup\$
    – Andy aka
    Commented Nov 15, 2022 at 17:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Andy aka Question and solution link in case it helps: holooly.com/solutions/… -66/ But I still don't understand the first step :) \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 15, 2022 at 17:48
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    \$\begingroup\$ VΔ is 0V because 0.4*VΔ is a voltage-controlled current source (VCCS). So, to "turn ON" VCCS you need to have a voltage across a 10-ohm resistor in the first place. Because VCCS can't turn on itself with its own current. Thus, in your circuit, only 5A current source can "turn on" VCCS. Thus, without it, VCCS is OFF. \$\endgroup\$
    – G36
    Commented Nov 15, 2022 at 19:05
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    \$\begingroup\$ Notice that when the current source is off (0A)it behaves just like an open circuit (0A). On the other hand, turned off the voltage source (0V) behaves just like a short circuit (wire with zero resistance). Thus, in your case, VCCS we have turned off the current source therefore, we have an open circuit. \$\endgroup\$
    – G36
    Commented Nov 15, 2022 at 19:46
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    \$\begingroup\$ @XcellentEEE Suppose you set the current source on the right to \$0\:\text{A}\$ and then Thevenize your Norton formed by that current source and the \$10\:\Omega\$ resistor? It would be \$V_{_\text{TH}}=0\:\text{V}\$, right? That might be another way to see why. \$\endgroup\$
    – jonk
    Commented Nov 16, 2022 at 20:39

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I've already explained in comments about a point of view I could suggest that is congruent with your quoted source. But you then write:

Won't the current from the voltage with the 2idelta' value below not pass through the 10 ohm resistor? And because of that we will find new voltage value on the right top?

Your question is apt. And it motivated me to write because the answer to your question is actually interesting.

The current in the dependent voltage source is easy

The current in the dependent voltage source, the one whose voltage is \$2\cdot i_\Delta\$, is easily computed.

Since you don't have part numbers in your schematic and if I don't assign them then I can't even talk to you, I am forced into laying out the schematic myself.

(Let this be a lesson to use the schematic editor and not to take the easy way out when asking questions by just pasting pictures.)

Here it is:

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simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

(We are going to analyze the stuff within that box over on the right. I'm sure you agree that the current in and out of that two-terminal box must be equal.)

You can trivially determine the current in \$V_2\$. Let's assign ground as shown here:

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Look at the KCL for \$V_\Delta\$: \$\frac{V_\Delta}{R_3} + 0.4\:\mho\cdot V_\Delta= 5\:\text{A}\$. This instantly solves out to \$V_\Delta=10\:\text{V}\$.

There is \$1\:\text{A}\$ in \$R_3\$ and all the rest must be going out through \$I_2\$. And so the current in \$V_2\$ must be the difference between the current in \$R_3\$ and the current source \$I_1\$. Everything is already determined by \$I_1\$, \$I_2\$, and \$R_3\$. And nothing can be changed there.

So we now know the following:

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It won't matter where you put ground, either. You can place it elsewhere and that may complicate this analysis a bit. But you will get the same result.

So where next?

We can now reduce the circuit further by just moving the ground around (remember, only one node can be ground; but any node can be ground):

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This solves out to \$V_{_\text{O}}=24\:\text{V}\$, \$I_\Delta=-2.8\:\text{A}\$, and \$V_{\Delta\text{( - )}}=-5.6\:\text{V}\$.

Do take note here that both \$V_{_\text{O}}\$ and \$V_{\Delta\text{( - )}}\$ are voltages relative to the new ground placement. I moved the ground to make things easier. I can do that.

Plugging all this back into the original schematic, but returning the ground back to where I earlier had it (and adjusting the just-made calculations accordingly), we find:

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Now, recall my earlier warning when I moved the ground to make things still easier? I said to take note here that \$V_{_\text{O}}\$ is a voltage difference across \$R_1\$? Well, this is when you need to remember this, again. We do still have a \$24\:\text{V}\$ difference across \$R_1\$. But because I moved the ground back to a different node than when that difference was calculated, the two ends of \$R_1\$ are at different voltages with respect to ground. But the situation is still unchanged.

You are free to choose a different ground reference. But it won't change the currents in any way or the voltage differences between the nodes.

Here's an LTspice run of the above schematic:

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Confirmed!

Summary to your question

I didn't directly solve your problem using the methodology your question suggests. But I don't have your textbook or class or the larger context. But I definitely could address the question you asked in comments. So I did.

Here's the curious thing. You don't need to care about the current in \$V_2\$! In fact, you can analyze everything without even caring about it. You could just set it to any arbitrary value, say \$0\:\text{A}\$, and so long as you don't write equations depending on it you will have enough information elsewhere to solve the circuit.

Sure, it's there. But it's just not important in this case.

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If there is no current flowing in the dependent current source at the top of the diagram then there can be no voltage across the 10 ohm resistor (because no current) and hence the dependent current source will continue to pass no current.

Kind of feels like a circular argument.

In fact this is not a stable condition as between the 0.4A/V of the current source and the 10V/A of the resistor, the gain is > 1 so any noise or perturbation will set the current source winding up in the appropriate direction. Not that academics setting first year circuit theory problems tend to think like that.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Won't the current from the voltage with the 2idelta' value below not pass through the 10 ohm resistor? \$\endgroup\$ Commented Nov 17, 2022 at 17:06
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    \$\begingroup\$ Voltages don't pass thru things (that's currents) they are developed between nodes. The 2idelta voltage source might move the whole right hand side relative to the left hand side, but so what? Vdelta is defined as being the voltage across that 10R resistor, not any other and if the whole thing moves relative to the left hand doings, the voltage across it is still 0. \$\endgroup\$
    – Dan Mills
    Commented Nov 17, 2022 at 17:15

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