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i know that the differential gain of the differential amplifier ( mosfet or bjt ) is _gmRc or _gm Rd

looking at the curve : if the current went down in one side and up in one side the gm will change so the gain will change right ? then the differential amplifier doesn't have a constant gain ? and if the current is steered to one side the gain will be as high as possible ? i don't know why i think i missed something . is every thing i said true or i made mistake ? for example if i have a differential bjt amplifier with Rc = 2.5k , Iee = 1mA so Ic in each transistor = 500uA so gm = 500uA/ 25mv = 20mS then the differential gain Avd = _ 20m* 2.5k = _50 but if the current is steered to one side (ignoring the leakage current ) then gm of that side will be = 1m / 25mv = 40mS then what will the differential gain be ?enter image description here

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Which curent are you speaking of? In the diagram I can see only voltages. It is a simplified (very simplified !) transfer charakterisic Vo=f(Vd). In reality it is a tanh function. \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Jun 23, 2019 at 14:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ sorry ulpoaded the wrong picture . this is the current curve \$\endgroup\$
    – Gh-B
    Jun 23, 2019 at 14:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ The transconductance is nothing else than the slope of the new curve in the midpoint. The transcinductance gm can be regarded as constant - as long as the current source in the common emitter path is constant and the input signal Vd is relatively small (current changes app. within the "quasi-linear" range of the curve.) \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Jun 23, 2019 at 15:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ well that sounds good but i'm talking about one case the case where the current is steered to one side will it still be regarded as constant ? \$\endgroup\$
    – Gh-B
    Jun 24, 2019 at 6:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ Gh-B see my detailed answer below. \$\endgroup\$
    – LvW
    Jun 24, 2019 at 7:16

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Gh-B, I am afraid, there is a kind of misunderstanding on your side.

  • At first, let me quote and comment a sentence from Dan Fritchmans answer:
    "Generally for non-linear circuits, this is not a constant number, but a function of input signal"

For my opinion, this can lead to severe misundestandings. Every transistor based amplifier is a non-linear circuit and needs DC biasing. Of course, if the input signal contains a DC voltage the quiescent operating point (and, with it, the transconductance and the gain) will change its value. But this is not the classical case. Normally, we bias such a non-linear device separately and independent on the "input signal" to be amplified. And this also applies to the differenetial amplifier under discussion.

Speaking of an "input signal" we, normally, refer to periodic excursions around a fixed operating point (without any DC portion) - and the transconductance (and the gain) will remain constant - as long as the excursions are within a limited (small) range: Small signal conditions. For a differential amplifier this range is as large as (50---60) milliVolts.

  • Your sentence:"...but if the current is steered to one side (ignoring the leakage current ) then gm of that side will be = 1m / 25mv = 40mS then what will the differential gain be ?"

This is an extreme case (one transistor off) and we cannot speak about "signal gain" at all because it is not possible to allow signal excursions in two directions around this point. Of course, we can identify a slope of the transfer curve under these conditions - but for which purpose? It is a pure theoretical number without any practical relevance.

  • Therefore: The shown transfer characteristic Id=f(Vd) is a tanh-function and can be used for "linear" (better: quasi-linear) amplification purposes around the midpoint (at Vd=0) for signal values (and a signal consists of Vd variations) within a small range. This range is limited by the allowed non-linearities which are application dependent.

And the transconductance gm is considered as constant and is defined by the slope of the curve at Vd=0.

Example: For input amplitudes of 50 mV the signal distortion (THD) caused by the non-linearity of the tanh-characteristic will be app. THD=5%.

Final comment: Of course, we can imagine a (theoretical) case, where we have a constant input voltage (DC) at one transistor and a "signal voltage" at the other transistor. In this case, the "DC quiescent point" would be not at Vd=0 - and the slope (transconductance) around this new operating point would be somewhat smaller - but for which purpose? Now the allowable range of signal excursions around this bias point is reduced (due to an increased non-linearity). This is a theoretical case without any practical relevance.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ i get it now thanks \$\endgroup\$
    – Gh-B
    Jun 25, 2019 at 17:48
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Everything you've said here is right. I expect the confusion is just in interpretation of one term: gain.
It's true (and commonplace) to say things like:

the differential gain of the differential amplifier ( mosfet or bjt ) is _gmRc or _gm Rd

But more accurately, we could say the small-signal - or better yet incremental - gain is gm*Rc. This applies solely to an incrementally - i.e. infinitesimally small - input change.

The primary mode of analysis in analog circuits is of linearized versions of inherently non-linear circuits. The common-source and common-emitter amplifiers are great examples. You are correct to point out that once the bias current changes - including due to changes in static input signal - the incremental gain changes with it.

As noted in earlier comments, the incremental gain is the slope of the input-output curve at every bias condition. Generally for non-linear circuits, this is not a constant number, but a function of input signal.

Calculating the large-signal gain for a large-signal input - say a change of 1V - generally requires non-linear analysis which, at least in closed-form, is rarely worth doing. Simulation and distortion analysis are aways more common for near-linear analog circuits.

More elaborate circuits arrangements help ensure the linearized model remains accurate over a wider range of conditions. Op-amps in feedback configurations are primary examples. An op-amp's high gain ensures that for any input-signal of interest, the amplifier's differential input is near zero, and its gain roughly equals its peak value.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ well now the gain isn't constant and it changes with the change in current . then how do i calculate the gain ? in one side gm will be 40mS and the other what will it be ? zero ? do i have a zero gain on one side and all the gain that could have been divided between the two outputs on one side ? besides why do we always assume that gm for each transistor = half iss / thermal voltage (500uA/25mv) if it isn't always half iss ? \$\endgroup\$
    – Gh-B
    Jun 23, 2019 at 17:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ Given the bipolar has about -10dBv IP2 and (near that for ) IP3, if you care about the variation in gain, then you need to use a feedback-resistor network to stabilize the gain (and reduce the distortion). What is your application, how stable Must the gain be, and what distortion will you accept? A single bipolar has about 10% distortion with a mere 4mVPP signal on the base (that is from memory). What are your needs? \$\endgroup\$ Jun 23, 2019 at 20:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ i'm not using it in an application i'm just studying the differential amplifier but i don't get this if the gain changes when we steer the current to one side why would we always assume gm = half iss / 25mv ? why don't we say it is iss/2 for one side and zero for the other side ? i don't think it is right to say this but i don't know why is it wrong . so my question is why do we aleays calculate gm as half iss / 25mv if this half iss can change and is not constant ? \$\endgroup\$
    – Gh-B
    Jun 24, 2019 at 6:02

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